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Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says

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Re: Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says

#201
The most frustrating part is how blatant and in-your-face the excuses have been and how many media outlets just seem to accept what they're told and run with it without question.

Just look at the responses we've been given to various questions (paraphrased, of course):

Q: "How could he have committed suicide, wasn't he on suicide watch?"

A: "Oh, well he was taken off suicide watch shortly before he committed suicide"

Q: "Didn't he have a cellmate though? Why didn't his cellmate do anything?"

A: "Oh, his cellmate was moved to a different location shortly before he committed suicide"

Q: "Well what about the guards, weren't they supposed to be checking up on him every 30 minutes?"

A: "Yeah, turns out they both fell asleep - sorry, we know how important a criminal Esptein was, but our guards were simply overworked"

Q: "What about the cameras? Wasn't there a camera inside his cell?"

A: "Yes, but unfortunately it malfunctioned"

Q: "Well what about the camera surveying the outside of his cell?"

A: "Oh...well...we've reviewed the footage on that one and unfortunately it's, erm, unusable"

Q: "Wasn't the room supposed to be 'suicide-proof'?"

A: "Uhh...it was but we overlooked the surprising tensile strength properties of the paper-thin bedsheets...our bad".

Q: "Well how about some photos of the body? Can we see them?"

A: "Sorry, he's been cremated and buried at his brother's request and we can't release any photos at this time"

And of course, nothing (that we know of) has happened to all the many people associated and possibly complicit with Epstein. The paparazzi is following Ghislaine Maxwell around burger joints while Bill Barr's justice department files lawsuits to prevent Edward Snowden from making a profit from his book sales.

It is legitimately more difficult to accept all of these circumstances than it is to believe it was covered-up, bought-and-paid-for hitjob. I truly do think Occam's Razor would dictate it is more likely that this is the case. Though, it is important to note, we do not yet have the evidence to say this is the case definitively.

Re: Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says

#202
post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Former cellmate; Epstein had no cellmate at the time of his death.

What happened when they were cell mates is pretty curious. https://www.cnbc.com/2019/08/16/epsteins-ex-cellmate-cleared...

Certainly seems like the previous suicide attempt was really a failed hit.

Re: Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says

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post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I agree, I think it’s worth teasing apart the “They” in this line of thinking. The conspiracy/Illuminati narratives imply a singular, unified cabal of power, which is a very difficult thing to achieve. But I think is more likely, is a loosely coupled system of mutual benefit with many players and imperfect knowledge, but all of whom are incentivized to (or selected for) not rocking the boat too much. Elizabeth…

In the case of Epstein, it appears that NY Dept of Corrections and the coroner must both be colluding to make the suicide narrative plausible. There must be some level of coordinated pressure exerted on both of these offices for neither to highlight the inconsistencies. What would be more concerning: a governmental agency or a non-governmental organization having this kind of power?

When two Saudi teenagers were found bound together in the Hudson had their deaths ruled a suicide, my confidence in the integrity NYC coroners office died.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/two-saudi-sisters-found-dead-i...

https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/03/us/saudi-sisters-hudson-river...

Re: Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says

#204
post #46

This is a rabbit hole that I'm not endorsing just sharing the link https://twitter.com/LibertyBlitz/status/1148259553621864449

You can't just advertise whatever loony accusations your link goes to (I didn't click) and absolve yourself of responsibility. That's the old "I'm just asking questions..." shtick.

Re: Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says

#205
post #37
post #5

I'm fascinated by the idea that someone could have killed and successfully covered up a murder this high profile. How do you handle the guards? How do you keep the other inmates quiet? Can you get away with bribing a single guard or is a larger operation needed? If you bribe people, how do you get the money to them? How do you keep them quiet when the inevitable investigation happens? I don't think it's impossible, b…

It's likely Epstein was tied up with CIA. Once they enter the picture, everything's fair game. https://observer.com/2019/07/jeffrey-epstein-spy-intelligenc...

I think some intelligence agency (even money CIA or Mossad) was using Epstein's tapes of powerful people engaged in pedophilia as kompromat to blackmail powerful men into being subservient to their interests.

Re: Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says

#206
post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unless you have no reason to believe the testimony will matter.

It would tarnish reputations at the minimum. Legacy matters to the ultra rich.

Epstein maintained a nice lifestyle with a tarnished reputation.

Re: Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says

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post #202
post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What happened when they were cell mates is pretty curious. https://www.cnbc.com/2019/08/16/epsteins-ex-cellmate-cleared...

Certainly seems like the previous suicide attempt was really a failed hit.

I'd follow what the ex-cop's eventual sentence is. If he completely skates, surely something is up.

Re: Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says

#208
post #165

I'm don't buy into conspiracy theories and am a firm advocate for Hanlon's razor but this story is really hard to swallow. This is the passage from the relevant Wikipedia article: > The jail informed the Justice Department, when Epstein was placed in the special housing unit, that he would have a cellmate and that a guard would look into the cell every 30 minutes. These procedures were not followed on the night he di…

> I'm don't buy into conspiracy theories I do. How many "conspiracy theories" have we lived through in tech? I can name two right off the top of my head: prism and carnivore. Whenever there's an overwhelming chorus of "that's conspiracy theory!" what I hear is "don't look too closely! You might find something!"

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Re: Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says

#209

If Epstein was about to testify against the Mob and not about expose wealthy elites and politicians I doubt any of you in this thread would discount, at all, that he was “whacked”. There’s something really gross about how his proximity to power that we, ostensibly, “like” is decreasing our collective likelihood to state the obvious.

Any evidence it was the Mob he was going to testify against? I have seen a lot more speculation that he would reveal his cooperation with state intelligence agencies.

Re: Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says

#210
post #71

This reminds me of that Netflix series about JonBenét Ramsey where they had all of these experts prove it was the brother who did it. It was all very weak stuff, but the people they used were all credible crime investigation people so it sounded legitimate. The poor brother was grown up now and a software engineer who already went through enough trauma and had to sue the show for defamation.

> The poor brother was grown up now and a software engineer who already went through enough trauma and had to sue the show for defamation.

I have watched that documentary and as someone who has a lot of experience with autism spectrum disorder and complete inability to control one's actions at not such a young age, I have little doubt that he could have done that unintentionally.

Even as an adult, he still doesn't look as someone who is fully able to comprehend his actions.

In such a case, it would be easy to understand the parents' desire to protect at least the child who was still alive.

And not suing after the documentary was released was not an option, if they wanted to stick to their story.

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