Who in their right mind would give Facebook their phone number in the first place? Seriously…did people not expect Facebook to sell it to anyone with two pennies to rub together?
"I have nothing to hide" is a stupidly strong public mindset
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The three body problem book part 2 also explores a fully transparent society; It's really interesting with all the sides effects (They can't lie, etc.). I recommend anyone to read it !
I read the first and while the ideas explored were interesting, I found the writing itself to be completely off-putting: - first of all, Three Body seems like the most boring videogame ever developed, not sure how people could actually be believably playing that. - the characters are pretty much caricatures of stereotypes (the cop), or just plain uninteresting. - the massive exposure/infodump chapters killed the imme…
I felt the same. I wonder if some of these issues stem from the fact that the book was originally written in Chinese (iirc)... maybe some of the infodump sections seem more natural in the original tongue?
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#203Who in their right mind would give Facebook their phone number in the first place? Seriously…did people not expect Facebook to sell it to anyone with two pennies to rub together?
I seriously doubt the vast majority of Facebook users would think about that.
The corporate motto for my next business is going to be: "People are not that bright."
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For what it's worth, I just deleted my phone number and added Google Authenticator, and it seemed to work fine.
Just to be clear. My phone number is not tied to my account, Facebook got my phone number elsewhere and suggested that I tie it to my account
Facebook got it from your own friends or associates. Such information gathering forms the "shadow profile" on Facebook.
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#205Just delete the phone number. You can use two factor authentication with OTP, SMS part is unnecessary.
Facebook does not delete the personal information they've harvested about you. Delete = Hide it from you. Maybe they will in GDPR Europe, but not anywhere else.
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Because a "facebook friend" isn't an actual friend, and having these "friends" have my phone number is like everyone in a bar being able to look up my number. Or perhaps like going to a work conference and everyone being able to call me. The random "How are you are you single wanna talk about sex with me?!!???" messages are bad enough. I certainly don't want those as phone calls. Those on the list that are actual Fri…
Can't you limit your FB friends to actual friends?
Sure, at a cost. Actual friends and immediate family? I'm covered in 20 people or less. Most wouldn't call, though, since I moved across an ocean.
I could include folks I've been to school with, folks I met in language class, a few folks I've worked with, and so on. I don't want all of these folks to call me, though, and I*d rather some didn't have my number. I also don't fully dislike these folks.
More seriously, though, it would keep my social circle smaller. I met my spouse online around 10 years ago, and this sort of caution you ask about would mean I wouldn't have my life.
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#207How do we coordinate outrage at facebook for this and many terrible things they've done?
Why coordinate outrage? So they will "learn" and do better in the future, HAHAHA. Seriously, just delete your account, no one needs Facebook even those that make up ridiculous excuses for why the can't leave Facebook.
I don't trust them enough to just delete the account and leave it. I go on once every six months to delete everything I can reach with my name attached to it, that is older than six months, and leave a single "I'm still alive, but don't try contacting me via Facebook, as it will have up to six months latency" post.
For a while, it was extra-creepy whenever I did a semiannual log in, because pop-ups would appear, and in a very distinctive "Audrey II" voice, scream "FEED ME [your data], SEYMOUR!" But the last time I tried it, I didn't see that. Can't tell whether they gave up, or already got the data from other people and just don't need me any more.
Delete your history, starting from the oldest thing you can see. Un-like everything you liked. Un-tag everything you are tagged in. Remove your photos. Replace profile pic with a public domain image. When you finally get to zero, log out and delete all cookies and block all bugs and trackers. Then start increasing the time between log-ins. When you get the nag e-mails to come back, go on just long enough to turn off nag e-mails. Wean yourself off until you don't care about being on Facebook any more.
Then you can use Facebook on infrequent occasions, to tell all your still-trapped friends about all the other ways to contact you that have lower latency, better signal-to-noise ratio, and more privacy. If you just delete, that leaves a you-shaped hole in Facebook that the company could fill with a placeholder. Your character might become an NPC that the game-master could control to manipulate the other players.
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Overall, the vast majority of similar reports are completely irrelevant, partial or non-sensical. Happy to give details but the most common pattern is the same person demanding that Facebook regulate speech in one sentence and being outraged that Facebook feels allowed to regulate speech before that sentence is over. Most journalists who write about Facebook are deemed as “having no idea what they are talking about”.…
To say that "the most common pattern" in the "vast majority of similar reports" is one of making starkly contradictory complaints, appears utterly self-serving - a convenient distortion designed to make it look as if there are no valid issues.
I’m simply trying to represent as accurately as I can the position as it is seen by and talked about by internal stakeholders.
Happy to give more examples, or to argue that the most visible and debated issues are not the most relevant. Even happy to say that this is a problem, but I don’t see it as an internal problem.
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It was in the iOS Facebook app
Well... your phone knows your number, so they might not have gotten it from somewhere else.
With the permissions in iOS they’re not supposed to have access to my phone number, but I do remember something about them having access to a “special api”, so I figure that’s exactly what happened
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Given the complete lack of respect that Facebook has for individual privacy and the wellbeing of our society in general why should anyone believe this?
It would violate terms of service you agreed to.
Um, please explain how Facebook using data you gave it for Facebook's purposes violates Facebook's terms of service.