Everybody is talking about Facebook these days, but is anybody considering to delete his Whatsapp and Instragram accounts too? I mean, aren't they part of Facebook nowadays?
Wouldn't it be consistent to abandon all Facebook services?
Facebook denies it collects call and SMS data from phones without permission
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#202Facebook will fall at some point, it’s a disease.
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#203So, this happened and we have confirmed about the dark patterns whether consented or not. What are good alternatives in this "Network effect" age? Facebook - I hardly use anymore. It exists undeleted because it serves as a kind of Social ID. I don't have the App installed anywhere, neither do I access it from my regular browser. The thing I'm struggling to get alternative for is WhatsApp. How could I talk to all my c…
I use XMPP since a few years in the way it was supposed to be used: - federated - multiple devices with different client software - own server It certainly isn't perfect, as there are a lot of 'classic' clients which lack the modern extensions (e.g. OMEMO [1], Carbons, MAM). Clients ranked by personal preference: - Conversations: very good, Android only, Downside: no calls (neither audio nor video) - Gajim: 'classic'…
Thanks for the detailed information. Please don't use indentation to set of text, though. It makes it really hard to read due to side-scrolling, particularly on mobile.
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#204Earlier quoted context omitted.
What Facebook acquired from their users was "expressed consent", which is notoriously easy to get using dark UI patterns. But the technical community has been using "informed consent" in their definition of malware for a while now, and it is highly questionable if dark UI patterns and "informed consent" are compatible concepts. The legal system (at least in US and EU) needs to catch up to this, but it does. In the EU…
> What Facebook acquired from their users was "expressed consent" I'm not so sure about that, but that's what courts are for.
I think that was groestl's point: there is what it literally says on paper, and there is the question of whether users can reasonably be expected to understand this.
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#205I think we are talking differently about this permission concept. Legally yes, they had permission. But the fact that they used those dark ux patterns to request that permission should not be forgotten. Even though legally they are in the right, we as users should make this fact irrelevant and just abandon the platform. Let them be right, let them win the argument but lose the battle with the general public.
I'm still completely convinced that this whole scandal will not damage Facebook a bit, in the long term. Yeah, the stock is going to be a bit lower for some weeks, some people will leave, but the largest part of the Facebook users has not even realised the scandal in full scale. They're not going anywhere, they're going to continue as is, since there really is not alternative for Facebook right now and tbh they would…
Anecdote here: I was talking to a college student who hadn’t heard about the whole Cambridge Analytica to-do. Why? She uses Facebook to check the news, and unsurprisingly it wasn’t coming up on trending news.
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#206Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm still completely convinced that this whole scandal will not damage Facebook a bit, in the long term. Yeah, the stock is going to be a bit lower for some weeks, some people will leave, but the largest part of the Facebook users has not even realised the scandal in full scale. They're not going anywhere, they're going to continue as is, since there really is not alternative for Facebook right now and tbh they would…
Many look to Twitter as their new social media platform, that together with IG (which is owned by facebook sure, but it's "harder" to be political there, which it all comes down to in the end) and Snapchat as a messenger. Google plus failed, so why wouldn't Facebook eventually do so also? The youth don't have Facebook, it's mostly the 20-40 year olds who do. This 20-40 generation follow the mainstream media news and…
Google+ had all the necessary requirements to be successful, but it failed at creating the network effect.
Facebook does have the network effect, so killing its network effect will be much more difficult.
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#207Earlier quoted context omitted.
> What Facebook acquired from their users was "expressed consent" I'm not so sure about that, but that's what courts are for.
I think that was groestl's point: there is what it literally says on paper, and there is the question of whether users can reasonably be expected to understand this.
I don't think it was even clear on paper. It never said store forever or even store.
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#208Everybody is talking about Facebook these days, but is anybody considering to delete his Whatsapp and Instragram accounts too? I mean, aren't they part of Facebook nowadays? Wouldn't it be consistent to abandon all Facebook services?
I do, abandoned Instagram, Whatsapp, and FB for a year and I don't miss a thing. Keep in touch with real friends instead of checking the virtual ones.
Re: Facebook denies it collects call and SMS data from phones without permission
#209Everybody is talking about Facebook these days, but is anybody considering to delete his Whatsapp and Instragram accounts too? I mean, aren't they part of Facebook nowadays? Wouldn't it be consistent to abandon all Facebook services?
Never used Whatsapp, haven't used Instagram for a very long time. It's only Facebook I need to cut off (and recent news are only the courage providers for something I've been considering for years already :P).
Re: Facebook denies it collects call and SMS data from phones without permission
#210I think we are talking differently about this permission concept. Legally yes, they had permission. But the fact that they used those dark ux patterns to request that permission should not be forgotten. Even though legally they are in the right, we as users should make this fact irrelevant and just abandon the platform. Let them be right, let them win the argument but lose the battle with the general public.
I prefer to think of it like “technical” permission (like obtaining the permission from android) and legal permission (aka consent). I doubt FB got consent.