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Re: YouTube and Reddit roll out new restrictions including channel and sub bans

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Post by SXX »

doyoulikeworms wrote: post #164
loudtieblahblah wrote: post #81

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No removable battery, no headphone jack, no SD card expansion, increased difficulty installing apps not in the official store.. Apples ecosystem is a gilded ghetto

Aside from android being easier to root, don’t the top-tier android phones have all of the other problems too? Genuine question.

Is there any reason you need exactly these "top tier" devices? For under $200 there is well-built Xiaomi devices with 3-4GB RAM, powerful CPU and everything except for removable battery.

Of course you should never use firmware from Chinese company, but it's true for 98% of other Android devices too and LineageOS + microG work great on these phones.

Re: YouTube and Reddit roll out new restrictions including channel and sub bans

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Post by SCHiM »

There they go again, the big nanny corporations. They are part of the social fabric of our society. The same rules of freedom of speech should apply there.

Saying that they have a right to censor their platform is OK, if this was the case from the outset. As it is, once these platforms were free and unrestricted. It's only after they grew big, are became protected by network effects that allows them to do stuff like this.

This is censorship plain and simple, it's disgusting, risk-averse behavior that displays a debasing obedience to safe money and corporate interests.

I don't know exactly why this angers me so much, party because it is a bait & switch like I said above. Party because it futile, users will simply go somewhere else. Partly because much of the content that I like to watch and learn about these days is probably on some goody two-shoe's shit list. I despise that they get to decide these things on platforms that have profited to much from an unrestricted and free Internet and online culture. They are hating the players, not the game.

Re: YouTube and Reddit roll out new restrictions including channel and sub bans

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Post by jakeogh »

themacguffinman wrote: post #175
nbdev wrote: post #163

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Why have a society if you cannot trust the people in it to defend themselves?

Because when we organize a society, we can specialize into roles like policing and become more effective at defense as a whole?

So ask the threat to wait a 5+ minutes while you call the cops?

Should we DRM 3D printers (DMLS@home is coming) to a walled garden of things? The 2nd Amendment is not separable from general purpose computing. Who needs "assult crypto" anyway?

Re: YouTube and Reddit roll out new restrictions including channel and sub bans

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Post by reitanqild »

jjjensen90 wrote: post #173
nbdev wrote: post #161

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You would have probably been against the American Revolutionary War then? Meh, let's let the British tax us. They're big and powerful. They're the Government. And what about something like Vietnam? Who won that one? And even if you're right, that the US government is just that big and bad. What if half the military defects and joins the revolt? People have the right to defend themselves, and must be trusted to do so.…

Generally I am against loss of human life, be it in war or gun violence, but I'm not sure how I would have felt at the time of the Revolution, and I'm not sure you do either. But really, that is just a weak strawman. The US government/military is MANY orders of magnitude more powerful than the British vs the colonists. The US military could nuke every single state capital in a few minutes, for example. If you take th…

> I am just pointing out that an untrained populace armed with even military-style assault weapons is really just laughable if your enemy is the largest military that has ever existed with technology and weapons that could annihilate humanity.

Tell that to the Nazis. They were the military superpower of their time.

Except for the nuclear option every armed enemy can tie up >10 soldiers if they are going to try to keep people alive for slave labour/selective genocide/etc.

Edit: my point is that the Nazis had a giant technological advantage as well as a giant army and even powerful allies and still they were vulnerable to all kinds of sting operations.

Edit2: a little more context.

Re: YouTube and Reddit roll out new restrictions including channel and sub bans

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Post by nbdev »

jjjensen90 wrote: post #173
nbdev wrote: post #161

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You would have probably been against the American Revolutionary War then? Meh, let's let the British tax us. They're big and powerful. They're the Government. And what about something like Vietnam? Who won that one? And even if you're right, that the US government is just that big and bad. What if half the military defects and joins the revolt? People have the right to defend themselves, and must be trusted to do so.…

Generally I am against loss of human life, be it in war or gun violence, but I'm not sure how I would have felt at the time of the Revolution, and I'm not sure you do either. But really, that is just a weak strawman. The US government/military is MANY orders of magnitude more powerful than the British vs the colonists. The US military could nuke every single state capital in a few minutes, for example. If you take th…

You missed the part where I mentioned Vietnam, and the part where I asked what if half the military defects?

I'm against loss of human life too, that's why I'm pro-2nd Amendment. People can defend themselves. People can fight off tyranny. Given enough time, people will need to do that again.

Re: YouTube and Reddit roll out new restrictions including channel and sub bans

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Post by [deleted] »

chx wrote: post #178
zombieprocesses wrote: post #64

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> Societies evolve and social views change. That's why we have principles and constitutional rights. So that our rights aren't taken away on a whim of societal change. I'm from NY and I've never owned a gun and I probably will never do so. But even I would be against repealing the 2nd amendment. The fact that people here are so openly talking about repealing the 2nd amendment and taking away more of our rights is rea…

> That's why we have principles and constitutional rights. You never had a constitutional right to owe a firearm. This is legal nonsense put together relatively recently, starting as answer to the Black Panthers arming themselves and then later some politics. Please look at https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/05/nra-guns-sec... > From 1888, when law review articles first were indexed, through 1959, every sin…

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Post by zkomp »

Larrikin wrote: post #149
SlowRobotAhead wrote: post #103

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Worked for drugs, and tax evasion, and human trafficking, and alcohol for awhile. Simply make it illegal and it goes away!

The logical conclusion from that train of thought is that laws have no meaning if people break the laws. So why have any laws?

That is too simple. The conclusion is the laws only work as long it is percieved better to follow than not, either by force, violence or social coercion or their actual concequences.

Drug laws for example does not really work, since some people self medicate no matter if there is a death sentence. Others don't care since they probably wont get caught.

While other laws kind of does work, people can rationally choose to follow them because the concequences of doing so are the "best" available option.

Re: YouTube and Reddit roll out new restrictions including channel and sub bans

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Post by nbdev »

Mononokay wrote: post #171
nbdev wrote: post #161

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You would have probably been against the American Revolutionary War then? Meh, let's let the British tax us. They're big and powerful. They're the Government. And what about something like Vietnam? Who won that one? And even if you're right, that the US government is just that big and bad. What if half the military defects and joins the revolt? People have the right to defend themselves, and must be trusted to do so.…

The Brits weren't actually that far ahead of the civs in the ARWar, it was mostly a numbers issue, not a tech issue. Vietnam wasn't on US soil, home-base would be infinitely cheaper. > And even if you're right, that the US government is just that big and bad. What if half the military defects and joins the revolt? The higher up they are the more nonexistant that chance gets, and the higher up you are the more likely…

I don't think it's fair or accurate to say folks wouldn't speak out against those things.

Your argument is that people shouldn't have guns because we probably couldn't beat the government. I'll take my fighting chance. It's better to die free.

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Post by deno »

themacguffinman wrote: post #175
nbdev wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why have a society if you cannot trust the people in it to defend themselves?

Because when we organize a society, we can specialize into roles like policing and become more effective at defense as a whole?

Police in United States do not have to protect you:

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/justices-rule-pol...

Average national response time is 10 minutes, even in cities the median is 5min, but can be as high as 30min for some remote areas.

In certain situations there may be no police response at all, as was the case in 1992 Los Angeles riots or practically any major natural disaster.

The ‘let the police do it’ argument would only logically work with incredibly pervasive and invasive surveillance technology and/or police robots (https://goo.gl/wpMV8).

Even so, 2nd amendment would be even more relevant to balance the killer robots.

Re: YouTube and Reddit roll out new restrictions including channel and sub bans

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Post by nickysielicki »

prawn wrote: post #148
Rebelgecko wrote: post #15

This is very dismaying to see I have used Youtube in the past for seeing how to install gun accessories, put guns together, how to fix malfunctions, etc. Watching those videos has made me a more knowledgeable, and hence more responsible gun owner. This is an especially large blow for people who are part of niche communities, like reloading ammo for 100+ year old rifles. A lot of historical content will be lost. The n…

I live in a country where it is quite unusual for someone to own a gun, but I can appreciate that YouTube how-tos are a great educational tool in the situation you describe. From YouTube's message though, it seemed that they were only cracking down on how-tos pertaining to specific things like magazine size or automatic fire. Would that pertain to the 100+ year old rifle and general gun maintenance/malfunctions?

https://youtu.be/iVnihHXzuwI

Here's a video that will definitely fall under new regulations: you be the judge.

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