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Curry spice turmeric boosts memory by nearly 30%, eases depression, study finds

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Re: Curry spice turmeric boosts memory by nearly 30%, eases depression, study finds

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Small study, probably not preregistered (didn't find anything about it in the description). Likely Publication Bias or p-hacking. I'm starting to get interested when it's been independently replicated.

If every study on tumeric, tea, chocolate, and coffee was fully accurate we'd all be immortal by now.

Re: Curry spice turmeric boosts memory by nearly 30%, eases depression, study finds

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am a neurologist. this is actually the exact opposite of what you should care about, which is "does it work to treat ___" In this trial, and 99% of other trials, there is no mechanism provided by the study, only a measurement of causality (which is the same thing as effectiveness). The authors may think they know based on other, prior, basic science research (as they are postulating here), but it does not affect th…

Obviously you don't understand HN.. everyone here is a "very smart software engineer" and knows far better than a simpleton like you with your decades of medical training and experience.

God forbid that anyone with a mathematical inclination begin to question study methodology...

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2008/04/08/science/08tier.html

Re: Curry spice turmeric boosts memory by nearly 30%, eases depression, study finds

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>Because curcumin's anti-inflammatory properties may protect the brain from neurodegeneration My very first question was: Please provide a possible physiological pathway for this. I'm so glad it was answered in the very first sentence. So many of these "Superfood does X" studies are just trials with 10 people over a month, with no explanation as to __how__ it could possibly happen. It significantly increases the skep…

Turmeric has helped me quite a bit with my inflamed joints after learning about it at a yoga ashram. Now I cook a lot with it. What i have noticed though is that supplements do nothing for me. I only feel a difference when it's fresh powder or even better ground from a root.

I have done several experiments where I stopped taking it. Every time my joints got worse and then better after resuming cooking with Turmeric.

No idea how it works but it seems to work.

Re: Curry spice turmeric boosts memory by nearly 30%, eases depression, study finds

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am a neurologist. this is actually the exact opposite of what you should care about, which is "does it work to treat ___" In this trial, and 99% of other trials, there is no mechanism provided by the study, only a measurement of causality (which is the same thing as effectiveness). The authors may think they know based on other, prior, basic science research (as they are postulating here), but it does not affect th…

Obviously you don't understand HN.. everyone here is a "very smart software engineer" and knows far better than a simpleton like you with your decades of medical training and experience.

> decades of medical training and experience

http://slatestarcodex.com/2013/12/17/statistical-literacy-am...

Ask your local doctor next time you visit to tell you what a P value means.

The medical literature is a tragicomedy of statistical incompetence and malpractice.

Specifically on this study it has a lot of red flags: not pre-registered so p hacking can be assumed, industry sponsored which studies show greatly skews results, small numbers, unrealistically high effect sizes.

Re: Curry spice turmeric boosts memory by nearly 30%, eases depression, study finds

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am a neurologist. this is actually the exact opposite of what you should care about, which is "does it work to treat ___" In this trial, and 99% of other trials, there is no mechanism provided by the study, only a measurement of causality (which is the same thing as effectiveness). The authors may think they know based on other, prior, basic science research (as they are postulating here), but it does not affect th…

The problem with “is this true?” Investigations is that there are tons of potential pitfalls and a combination of experimental limitations, poor academic incentives, and insufficient statistical and scientific training make this very hard to do well. I think it’s bad science, that will one day retrospectively be viewed as invalid scientific method. I think the way to combat this is to avoid studies that solely attemp…

I somewhat agree, but "is it true?" is all that science can answer.

A mechanism is really just a narrower example without irrelevant distractions or confounding variables.

Kind of like the difference between the bug reports: "run this complex workload on this specific machine and it will orobably crash after a few hours" versus "run these three commands when the cache is cold and it crashes".

Re: Curry spice turmeric boosts memory by nearly 30%, eases depression, study finds

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>Because curcumin's anti-inflammatory properties may protect the brain from neurodegeneration My very first question was: Please provide a possible physiological pathway for this. I'm so glad it was answered in the very first sentence. So many of these "Superfood does X" studies are just trials with 10 people over a month, with no explanation as to __how__ it could possibly happen. It significantly increases the skep…

I post this whenever HN brings up a comment about supplements -- but I created a site to help track people trying out a lot of supplements and how it impacted health and sleep.

HN and QuantifiedSelfers find this as a niche site to record correlations and habits for self improvement.

https://betterself.io/ (Open sourced)

Re: Curry spice turmeric boosts memory by nearly 30%, eases depression, study finds

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Instead of taking tablets, try adding as an ingredient into your daily food. I think that will make it much easier to eat. Try cooking any Indian curries and turmeric is 90% of time default spice.

Curry is delicious, but it'd get pretty boring to eat it EVERY day.

There's way more than one type of curry and more than one way to enjoy a spice. For tumeric, fry some pulled aubergine with tumeric, garlic and tomato, for example.

Re: Curry spice turmeric boosts memory by nearly 30%, eases depression, study finds

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Fun fact - tumeric was the trigger for India creating a patent fighting engine around Indian traditional medicine (Ayurveda and unaani) including a gene bank and international legal force around biopiracy.

We now have something called Traditional Knowledge Digital Library (TKDL) - http://www.tkdl.res.in/tkdl/langdefault/common/Home.asp?GL=E...

http://www.mondaq.com/india/x/586384/Patent/Traditional+Know...

Re: Curry spice turmeric boosts memory by nearly 30%, eases depression, study finds

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am a neurologist. this is actually the exact opposite of what you should care about, which is "does it work to treat ___" In this trial, and 99% of other trials, there is no mechanism provided by the study, only a measurement of causality (which is the same thing as effectiveness). The authors may think they know based on other, prior, basic science research (as they are postulating here), but it does not affect th…

Obviously you don't understand HN.. everyone here is a "very smart software engineer" and knows far better than a simpleton like you with your decades of medical training and experience.

The neurologist wants what's best for his patients today, which is to know whether a treatment is likely to work or not.

Others may value the mechanism more for very legitimate reasons. For instance, if you underatand the mechanism it leads to further research that could utilize a related mechanism or perhaps see potential side effects that would otherwise be hard to identify.

You really need both. "Is it true?" is a great starting place and oofers some treatments, but discovering the mechanism gives potentially a whole new class of treatments.

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