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Re: Spanish police raid .Cat domain name registry offices

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Post by farresito »

notspanishflu wrote: post #158
farresito wrote: post #134

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I have no idea what point you are trying to make. We are not talking about corruption here; we are talking about the right of self-determination.

Yeah, and you feel so powerful downvoting everyone who doesn't aligned with your political strategy. I bet you are all for dialog, good arguments, better talk than fight... /s

I haven't downvoted a SINGLE comment, and even if I wanted I wouldn't be able because I don't have enough points. I never downvote, and of course I wouldn't downvote because someone has different views than me. Stop with the bullshit. Go to reddit if that's what you are looking for.

Re: Spanish police raid .Cat domain name registry offices

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Post by Oletros »

gfiorav wrote: post #200
Oletros wrote: post #189

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That link doesn't talk about support to a vote, just for independence

Support for the vote is at least the same for independence. It’s more, some people against independence are in favor of the vote

Last poll from El Peridico, 78.9%

Re: Spanish police raid .Cat domain name registry offices

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Post by Oletros »

notspanishflu wrote: post #168
monodeldiablo wrote: post #153

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There's no better way to change his vote to a definite "yes" than by refusing to allow him to voice his opinion. If Madrid listened half as well as it sneered, I suspect they'd have better relations with all their immediate neighbors.

Man, the obsession with 'Madrid'! I think all Spaniards have a voice in this.

When it is said Madrid, like when it is said Paris, Washington or London in a political context, what is referenced is the federal/central government

Re: Spanish police raid .Cat domain name registry offices

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Post by notspanishflu »

bassman9000 wrote: post #195
notspanishflu wrote: post #181

It's really funny listening to the President of the government of Catalonia talking about repression when his salary is 145.471 euros, and the President of the government of Spain salary is 78.185,04 euros. Yep, the public salary of many presidents of a part of Spain is bigger than the president of the whole. That's for give you a picture of the current craziness.

You won't get many responses because the PC thing is to side with Catalonia, but this is the whole story: a money grab scheme. It's been going on for ages. With B- debt rating, collapsing health care system, and massive public spending on things like the one you mention, they simply need money. Plan post-independence is to seize all public assets belonging to the Spanish state (funds, buildings, public companies, ...…

The 'original sin' is the political over-representation of the nationalist parties because both PSOE and PP have needed their support for the Spanish government most of the time. In exchange of too much concessions, of course.

Re: Spanish police raid .Cat domain name registry offices

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Post by notspanishflu »

justin66 wrote: post #185
notspanishflu wrote: post #151

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Everybody can speak about the referendum in Spain. You can't say there isn't freedom of speech in Spain when even people convicted for terrorism speaks in public media everyday.

You do realize that the subject matter of the article this thread is about involves free speech, right? Spanish authorities asked the registry to block domain names that were being used to spread information about an upcoming referendum for independence. I can understand why the opposition would be pretty pissed off about that infringement on their free speech rights.

That's illegal propaganda, not free-speech.

Re: Spanish police raid .Cat domain name registry offices

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Post by notspanishflu »

icebraining wrote: post #178
notspanishflu wrote: post #161

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One thing doesn't rule out the other. Also 80 years is a lot or not.

Well, that's just one case, there are older ones: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalan_revolt Pau Claris, head of the Generalitat of Catalonia, called the politician members of the all Principality in order to form a Junta de Braços or Braços Generals (General Estates), a consultive body. (...) This assembly, which worked with individual voting, began to create and apply various revolutionary measures (...), while t…

That was a conflict between Habsburg supporters and Bourbon supporters, but those Catalans always spoke in the name of Spain, not Catalonia.

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Post by onorton »

codefined wrote: post #125
jimmaswell wrote: post #97

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>At least in the UK the government allowed people to express themselves This isn't really true. You can get arrested for "offensive" social media posts in the UK.

Never heard of a case where someone has been arrested for saying anything that isn't aimed at causing vioelnce. The UK government _do_ allow a lot of open debate on political topics (and every other type of topic) as long as it doesn't threaten peoples health.

This was a huge issue last year.

http://metro.co.uk/2017/08/01/man-who-filmed-dog-doing-nazi-...

What's funny is that the original youtube video is still up.

Edit: Might as well include the video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYslEzHbpus

Re: Spanish police raid .Cat domain name registry offices

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Post by ZeroGravitas »

dazc wrote: post #69
ZeroGravitas wrote: post #51

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"At least in the UK the government allowed people to express themselves, even though many thought an independent Scotland would be a huge mistake." That referendum was restricted to two options, what the UK government wanted and what they thought was too extreme a position to win. By excluding the middle way option, which polling suggested would win they hoped to get their own position rubber stamped. The fact that i…

What was this 'middle way' option? Scotland already has its own Parliament, legislation and such. I always thought they were already in a 'middle way'? I'm not trying to be provocative, just trying to understand what else could Scotland get without going full-on independent?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full_fiscal_autonomy_for_Scotl...

popularly known as Devo-max.

Technically both sides were proposing more powers, it was a difference of degree in what was being offered. At the last minute more power was offered when it seemed like full independence had a chance of winning.

Re: Spanish police raid .Cat domain name registry offices

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Post by notspanishflu »

farresito wrote: post #201
notspanishflu wrote: post #158

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Yeah, and you feel so powerful downvoting everyone who doesn't aligned with your political strategy. I bet you are all for dialog, good arguments, better talk than fight... /s

I haven't downvoted a SINGLE comment, and even if I wanted I wouldn't be able because I don't have enough points. I never downvote, and of course I wouldn't downvote because someone has different views than me. Stop with the bullshit. Go to reddit if that's what you are looking for.

"I haven't downvoted a SINGLE comment, and even if I wanted I wouldn't be able because I don't have enough points"

Say the guy with 682 points.

Re: Spanish police raid .Cat domain name registry offices

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Post by ZeroGravitas »

krona wrote: post #57
ZeroGravitas wrote: post #51

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"At least in the UK the government allowed people to express themselves, even though many thought an independent Scotland would be a huge mistake." That referendum was restricted to two options, what the UK government wanted and what they thought was too extreme a position to win. By excluding the middle way option, which polling suggested would win they hoped to get their own position rubber stamped. The fact that i…

Not really. The wording of the question was decided by the Scottish Parliament and reviewed for intelligibility by the Electoral Commission, an independent body.

The number of questions/answers was decided in an agreement between the Scottish and UK parliaments.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edinburgh_Agreement_(2012)

It was openly known that the nationalists wanted the option, and the unionists didn't. Perhaps it was negotiated away for something else the nationalists wanted, but still the point stands, they wanted it, and didn't get it.

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