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MS Paint is here to stay

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Re: MS Paint is here to stay

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Post by _b8r0 »

skrebbel wrote: post #76
OkGoDoIt wrote: post #72

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Additionally you can't download apps off the windows store unless you sign up for /into a Microsoft account, which is a much bigger pain than simply downloading the first app you find searching on Google. Also my corporate windows 10 laptop has the entire window store and modern app infrastructure disabled, meaning I would not be able to access MS Paint.

> Also my corporate windows 10 laptop has the entire window store and modern app infrastructure disabled Wow that's... What? For all its warts, the Windows Store is a secure app delivery platform. Doesn't disabling it merely encourage downloading zipped executables from sleazy unencrypted websites?

> For all its warts, the Windows Store is a secure app delivery platform.

For some value of $secure, yes. It's has package integrity checks, sure, but there's plenty of PUPs, adware and spyware in apps that for some corporate networks are considered a no-no.

Re: MS Paint is here to stay

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Post by poizan42 »

lixquid wrote: post #116
thaumasiotes wrote: post #82

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Huh. I just tried it. A snipping interface came up and let me select a rectangle of the screen. Then, none of the following things happened: - A message telling me where the picture went. - The picture showing up on the desktop. - The picture showing up in "Documents". - The picture showing up in "Pictures". But, I was able to recover the screenshot by... opening Paint, and pasting from the clipboard! That's not a so…

I'm sure you probably discovered this by now, but the image is kept in memory until it is "saved" via the Save menu. The UX could probably do with some improvement showing that the image is not automatically saved to disk, like scrot or OSX's Image Capture shortcuts, though.

Save menu? The snipping tool disappears as soon as release the mouse button, there is nothing else you can do with it.

Re: MS Paint is here to stay

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Post by Klathmon »

bwat49 wrote: post #199
Klathmon wrote: post #117

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Something can still be an upgrade for the vast majority even if it doesn't do 100% of the same stuff as it's predecessor...

to be fair, how hard would it be to have feature parity with an app as simple as MSpaint?

You wouldn't think that hard, but look at this thread and all the different ways people are using it. And for them not having feature parity could mean changing keybindings!

Plus it does do some off the wall stuff, someone in this thread mentioned it can pull images from a scanner!?

Re: MS Paint is here to stay

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Post by etatoby »

carlosrg wrote: post #154

This thread shows clearly the negativity around everything Microsoft does, especially if you compare to other technology companies. Apple deprecates some API or removes a feature? "It's the future, you have to adapt, etc" Microsoft deprecates a toy program made 25 years ago, but still offers the option of downloading it for free? "How dare they, I want it in the base install, etc"

One of the (many, many) reasons I ditched OS X after more than 10 years and went back to Linux and Windows, depending on the task at hand, is the removal of the colored Finder labels.

What an inane reason, you may say.

But IMHO it was one of the best features ever introduced into desktop computing. Simple, easy to see colored backgrounds that you could assign to files to organize or tag them as you saw fit. (seen/not seen, reviewed/not reviewed, good/bad/meh, and so on)

Maybe Mac users are less vocal about the removal of features (or they are simply fewer) but this kind of blatant disregard for the needs and established workflows of your customers has a long term effect on a company's image.

Re: MS Paint is here to stay

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Post by malekpour »

There are much better free [web based] alternatives for WordPad, Paint and Notepad these days and I prefer to use those over these obsolete applications. These are not useful applications, we just like them because of nostalgia.

I doubt if Microsoft is removing Paint because of OS base image size. It should be more about source code maintenance and UI consistency. Both WordPad and Paint got ribbon user interface for Windows 7 and calc.exe has been replace by a modern Windows Store app in Windows 10.

Why should Microsoft spend time and resource to keep these applications up to date while majority of users are using better free alternatives?

Re: MS Paint is here to stay

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Post by ciupicri »

malekpour wrote: post #206

There are much better free [web based] alternatives for WordPad, Paint and Notepad these days and I prefer to use those over these obsolete applications. These are not useful applications, we just like them because of nostalgia. I doubt if Microsoft is removing Paint because of OS base image size. It should be more about source code maintenance and UI consistency. Both WordPad and Paint got ribbon user interface for…

Why should I waste time installing those apps? Or Internet traffic and even some CPU with web based apps?

Re: MS Paint is here to stay

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Post by seanp2k2 »

slackingoff2017 wrote: post #138
skrebbel wrote: post #76

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> Also my corporate windows 10 laptop has the entire window store and modern app infrastructure disabled Wow that's... What? For all its warts, the Windows Store is a secure app delivery platform. Doesn't disabling it merely encourage downloading zipped executables from sleazy unencrypted websites?

You shouldn't be running binaries you don't trust no matter where they come from :) . And honestly I would probably use the MS store if it didn't suck balls. Seriously whoever designed their "modern" UI needs to get booted. It's terrible and the main reason nobody uses the windows app store. Ubuntu, MacOS, and even Steam on Windows all have a good app store interface. MS designed the OS and their version is a UI nigh…

I agree that the Windows App Store is a bad experience. I don't agree that they should extend add/remove programs to encompass this functionality. It's from literally 1995 and should be removed from Windows. It's actually really funny to me how some dialogue boxes and options modals have been unchanged for 20 years.

Re: MS Paint is here to stay

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Post by syshum »

skrebbel wrote: post #139
morrbo wrote: post #130

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I don't understand the shock here? Large corporations don't want users installing random apps. I don't see why an NHS laptop, for example, should have Bejewelled installed, or some dodgy app which gives permissions to the user's drives, and uploads files. Similarly, though admittedly not a problem in the same way with Windows store apps, to Chrome extensions. Those working in secretive environments with naive users s…

I understand, but what happens is that people will unzip programs from their Downloads folder and just run them from there.

That is what AppLocker, Software Restriction Policy and similar things are for

Re: MS Paint is here to stay

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Post by toxican »

etatoby wrote: post #183
microtheo wrote: post #166

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You totally can. This is a misconception. And it has been that way for a long time now. Everything that is free can be downloaded without account.

Not if the entire App and Windows Store system is disabled per corporate policy and/or firewall.

That's not really MS's fault then, is it? If IT doesn't want you installing apps, that's on them.
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