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Apple is struggling to become an AI powerhouse

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Re: Apple is struggling to become an AI powerhouse

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Post by smallnamespace »

AndrewKemendo wrote: post #184
freyir wrote: post #182

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> You say "overpay" but if the user pays for it then that would have been an efficient price This says nothing of the possibility that one party has a lot of information, and the other party has relatively little information, and the guy with very little information is getting screwed.

The implicit assumption is that the service is charging your air fare or whatever based on your ability to pay. So in that sense, in aggregate, it drives equilibrium between supply and demand - and thus is comprised of market clearing prices, as I said.

Market clearing prices can strongly favor one party or another, depending on the information asymmetries present.

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Post by acover »

AndrewKemendo wrote: post #184
freyir wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You say "overpay" but if the user pays for it then that would have been an efficient price This says nothing of the possibility that one party has a lot of information, and the other party has relatively little information, and the guy with very little information is getting screwed.

The implicit assumption is that the service is charging your air fare or whatever based on your ability to pay. So in that sense, in aggregate, it drives equilibrium between supply and demand - and thus is comprised of market clearing prices, as I said.

There is a difference between competitive single price and monopolistic pricing.

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Post by threeseed »

TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #146
threeseed wrote: post #121

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You really don't get it do you. Most of us aren't worried about Amazon and Google per se but rather what happens to our data when (a) they are compromised and (b) government surveillance increases in scope. There have been countless incidents (and these will only increase in frequency) where people's sensitive information have been stolen and used for blackmail and identity fraud. There is also the increasing use of…

The problem isn't really privacy, it's privacy asymmetry. Would Facebook agree to make all of their employee web searches public? Would Google? How about all phone traffic? Emails? Thought experiment: imagine a world where everyone can see what everyone else is doing all of the time. Assume absolutely no exceptions or restrictions. You can eavesdrop on anyone in the world. Anyone can eavesdrop on you. How many "I am…

Exactly.

I would have far more respect for no privacy advocates if they made public a daily ISO of the contents of their computer.

Would they really have the same position once their identity had been stolen, their credit cards maxed out and every thing they have said taken out of context and made available to their friends, family, boss and the TSA.

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Post by jonbarker »

b1daly wrote: post #137
old-gregg wrote: post #66

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You are making two assumptions that aren't necessarily true. First, you're assuming that you have control over what kind of information is being collected and shared, and you're assuming it's always good for you. Here's a fairly innocent scenario: if Amazon Echo can learn everything about you, they may discover that you're crazy about Paris and you have good income. Then they can sell this info to every travel websit…

You make a good point about the pricing asymmetry. But the point remains that most people are voluntarily, enthusiastically, giving up personal data in exchange for features that they find valuable. It's hard to see that as a privacy issue. Being part of the world involves being known. In the proverbial "olde days," when people lived in much smaller communities, everyone knew everyone's business. Government spying on…

I'd say its voluntary in the same way a frog is voluntarily boiling itself.

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Post by __jal »

s73ver wrote: post #199
__jal wrote: post #171

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What I mean is twofold: - They're paying much less attention to the "Unixy stuff" than they used to. Old versions of common things take forever to be updated. Compatibility has always been shit, but it is getting worse. SIP means a number of things I tend to modify, can't be, without hassle[1]. - With a workstation, I expect to be able tailor it specifically to my work requirements. This is becoming increasingly diff…

I really cannot agree with you. I still don't see anything that affects using OS X as a Unix station. It works just as well as it did before. And I've never had an issue with SIP.

I'm glad it works for you.

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Post by PopsiclePete »

pwython wrote: post #51
macinjosh wrote: post #3

I am an Apple fanboy but I am also a privacy fanboy. As AI, IoT, and consumer tracking continue to invade our daily lives I think Apple will continue to do quite well if they maintain there pro-privacy heading. Privacy is a feature, it's something people want, and unfortunately its becoming a luxury. That is something that attracts Apple's customers.

I'm one of the few in the "tech world" that isn't so much pro-privacy. Google can read my email, Apple can track my movements, my Amazon Echo can even listen in when it wants. The end result is a huge benefit to me. How is any AI supposed to know what I want, if I try to be an anonymous user? I prefer targeted ads. I prefer submitting my information to "robots" in the hopes that my user experience is tailored to what…

I'm also not so hung up on privacy.

Think about the massive data gathering we could do in the medical field for example, to test the effectiveness of drugs and treatments if you could wear a "smart" bracelet that put its data in the cloud - how many more diseases could we cure?

Not that I'd feel comfortable sharing my back account # with you...

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Post by lqdc13 »

ClassyJacket wrote: post #194
lqdc13 wrote: post #39

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Not sure how you use your iphone or what you would need from a smartphone, but I don't understand the distinction. Apps like Lyft, Yelp and Uber already know where you are so you can't use those. You're left with maps and browser. People tend to use google maps and Waze on iPhone anyway so that point is gone as well. If they use Apple maps, I am not convinced that apple doesn't store location history. So then you're…

You've reduced the problem to only GPS location which is just wrong. Fact is, Android apps targeting 5.0 or lower can still read anything on my phone - SMS, location, photos, contacts, and well, everything else. And any root or ROM based add-ons to stop them are an impractical usability nightmare, where I could just own an iPhone.

Weren't such permissions made explicit when the app was installed?

I'm not worried about SMS because everyone and their mother can see it now.

I don't think apps that didn't require contacts during installation could access them.

To me all Apple products are a usability nightmare. I am forced to do simple things the way Apple wants me to do them instead of the way I want to do them.

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Post by eridius »

__jal wrote: post #171
s73ver wrote: post #94

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"[1] I'm becoming less of a fan, as MacOS becomes "cloud aware" and less of a Unix workstation." How is it becoming less of a Unix workstation? It can still do all the Unixy stuff it could before.

What I mean is twofold: - They're paying much less attention to the "Unixy stuff" than they used to. Old versions of common things take forever to be updated. Compatibility has always been shit, but it is getting worse. SIP means a number of things I tend to modify, can't be, without hassle[1]. - With a workstation, I expect to be able tailor it specifically to my work requirements. This is becoming increasingly diff…

parsecd is apparently "Used for Suggestions in Spotlight, Messages, Lookup and Safari" according to a Reddit comment (https://www.reddit.com/r/mac/comments/54870l/what_is_comappl...).

LaterAgent is used for system updates. Specifically, it appears to be what handles reminding you again later when the system prompts you to install an update and you select the option to remind you again later.

Re: Apple is struggling to become an AI powerhouse

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Post by wkoszek »

Apple is struggling to become an AI powerhouse, but it just deployed top-notch machine learning frameworks to millions of portable devices around the world in a way in which its hundreds of thousands of developers can use machine learning now. I want to be struggling at investments in the same way. :)
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