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Concerns for global spread of Zika mean Rio de Janeiro Olympics must not proceed

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Re: Concerns for global spread of Zika mean Rio de Janeiro Olympics must not proceed

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Post by solipsism »

ramon wrote: post #195
solipsism wrote: post #191

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More facts from http://www.cdc.gov/zika/symptoms/ * Most people infected with Zika virus won’t even know they have the disease because they won’t have symptoms. * The illness is usually mild with symptoms lasting for several days to a week. * People usually don’t get sick enough to go to the hospital You believe your friends had Zika. bit they may not have. Given the Zika epidemic, I wouldn't be surprised if lots of…

@solipsism If you think the site is your best source rather than taking people's word for it, take it and don't discuss with other people in the forums. I'm reaffirming that the statement is incorrect and they should travel down to Brazil to understand this matter better. I don't believe it, it was clinically tested with a diagnosis from the blood plus doctor in private hospital. That's how people get to know about i…

It's not the site. It's the CDC. I can guarantee Brazil considers the CDC an excellent source as well.

I'm reaffirming that the statement is incorrect and they should travel down to Brazil to understand this matter

If you think the CDC and the WHO are not in Brazil, you're mistaken. But let's pretend you're right that CDC doesn't know what they're talking about. How about the Ministério da Saúde?

http://portalsaude.saude.gov.br/index.php/descricao-da-doenc...

A febre por vírus Zika é descrita como uma doença febril aguda, autolimitada, com duração de 3-7 dias, geralmente sem complicações graves e não há registro de mortes

Translation: Fever by Zika virus is described as an acute febrile illness, self-limited, lasting 3-7 days, usually without serious complications and there is no record of deaths. The hospitalization rate is potentially low.

Segundo a literatura, mais de 80% das pessoas infectadas não desenvolvem manifestações clínicas

Translation: According to the literature, over 80% of infected people do not develop clinical manifestations

This seems to back up very well ceejayoz's original comment, which you disagreed with: pointed out these diseases can often present as a mild cold, for which you'd never go to the hospital. You may well have gotten them without really noticing

So, presumably you don't think the Ministério da Saúde also have to travel to Brazil to know what they're talking about? There's also all kinds of information on portalsaude.saude.gov.br referencing the CDC, the WHO, and describing the fact that the CDC has been in Brazil for months conducting research and field investigations.

Re: Concerns for global spread of Zika mean Rio de Janeiro Olympics must not proceed

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Post by ramon »

solipsism wrote: post #201
ramon wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

@solipsism If you think the site is your best source rather than taking people's word for it, take it and don't discuss with other people in the forums. I'm reaffirming that the statement is incorrect and they should travel down to Brazil to understand this matter better. I don't believe it, it was clinically tested with a diagnosis from the blood plus doctor in private hospital. That's how people get to know about i…

It's not the site. It's the CDC. I can guarantee Brazil considers the CDC an excellent source as well. I'm reaffirming that the statement is incorrect and they should travel down to Brazil to understand this matter If you think the CDC and the WHO are not in Brazil, you're mistaken. But let's pretend you're right that CDC doesn't know what they're talking about. How about the Ministério da Saúde? http://portalsaude.s…

"Fever by Zika virus is described as an acute febrile illness."

There you go! See that there's a difference from the other statement?

"Segundo a literatura, mais de 80% das pessoas infectadas não desenvolvem manifestações clínicas, porém quando presentes a doença se caracteriza pelo surgimento do exantema maculopapular pruriginoso, febre intermitente, hiperemia conjuntival não purulenta e sem prurido, artralgia, mialgia e dor de cabeça e menos frequentemente, edema, dor de garganta, tosse, vômitos e haematospermia.. No entanto, a artralgia pode persistir por aproximadamente um mês."

This statement is contradictory, this is were the confusion resides. I have never seen a case till today regarding this, neither has the society here a person that had Zika but very little symptoms, it's always hard and pushes the people to bed, what has happened a lot here is since "Zika" is on evidence people push "Dengue" symptoms as "Zika" just because it's on the "Vibe", so the numbers of Zika are huge but in reality it's a mix of Dengue (types 1,2 and 3), Zika and Chikungunha.

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Post by dragonwriter »

ramon wrote: post #202
solipsism wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not the site. It's the CDC. I can guarantee Brazil considers the CDC an excellent source as well. I'm reaffirming that the statement is incorrect and they should travel down to Brazil to understand this matter If you think the CDC and the WHO are not in Brazil, you're mistaken. But let's pretend you're right that CDC doesn't know what they're talking about. How about the Ministério da Saúde? http://portalsaude.s…

"Fever by Zika virus is described as an acute febrile illness." There you go! See that there's a difference from the other statement? "Segundo a literatura, mais de 80% das pessoas infectadas não desenvolvem manifestações clínicas, porém quando presentes a doença se caracteriza pelo surgimento do exantema maculopapular pruriginoso, febre intermitente, hiperemia conjuntival não purulenta e sem prurido, artralgia, mial…

> "Fever by Zika virus is described as an acute febrile illness."

> There you go! See that there's a difference from the other statement?

I think you are confused about medical terminology, particularly, I think you are confusing acute fever (which is a fever with sudden onset) with severe fever.

> I have never seen a case till today regarding this, neither has the society here a person that had Zika but very little symptoms, it's always hard and pushes the people to bed

I'm pretty sure that the reason these sources have stated this is that people with Zika but very few symptoms have been identified by medical authorities. OTOH, many people with Zika but without severe symptoms won't ever know they had Zika, since they may not seek medical attention.

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Post by roel_v »

return0 wrote: post #104
roel_v wrote: post #59

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Except that we do. We assign monetary values to human lives in actuarial models every day. The statistical value of a human live in the Netherlands when considering traffic safety was E700k in the last project I worked on, but this varies by purpose and over time. Furthermore, there are several international standard methods of quantifying the burden of disease, like the DALY and QALY. So yes, we can and we do 'objec…

You mean, assign FINANCIAL value.

Right, for some reason I thought the gp said monetary and I was keeping with what I thought was the terminology of the thread.

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Post by InglouriousG »

transfire wrote: post #130

What? Are they planning a culling, on which they will blame Zika and the Olympics? Otherwise, this make zero sense. Despite all the hype, Zika is not the end of the world. Most people who get it hardly notice and get over it in rather short order just as one gets over a cold.

What about the microcephalic babies born to people infected with Zika? That's not exactly a hardly noticeable side effect...

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Post by saint_fiasco »

ramon wrote: post #190
saint_fiasco wrote: post #160

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If Zika is similar to dengue, then only some people get those symptoms. Other people just feel something like they have influenza without the sneezes and the runny nose. Those diseases spread easily precisely because many people have it and don't stay home with mosquito net and repellents. They just go on with their lives, transmitting the disease to other people who may be more vulnerable and have worse symptoms.

It's a bit different, the symptoms regarding Zika are really strong, that's why people are certain it's Zika because you fall in bed really. So if I get through "transmission" I would get the same symptoms.. it's hard to understand but if you understand the different types of Dengue and their symptoms you will understand how Zika is different and it's not soft (like a cold or virus flu).

Most of the time people are not in fact certain that it's zika. That's why the number of confirmed cases is so low relative to the number of suspected cases.

When you get common viral infection symptoms, it's common in Paraguay to avoid Aspirin just in case it's dengue, even if you don't have the joint pain and spots in the skin that the disease is known for.

Some considerate people even use mosquito repellent when they get suspicious, so they won't transmit the disease in case it really is dengue.

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Post by bsder »

big_youth wrote: post #129
tomp wrote: post #25

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Well, the fair outcome would be that Tokyo was cancelled altogether, if the allegations of corruptions [1] are true. [1] https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/may/11/tokyo-olympics...

Wow, Japan is generally known as being clean and corruption free. I can only imagine the type of bribes Brazil and Russia handed out.

> Wow, Japan is generally known as being clean and corruption free.

Huh? This is the home of the keiretsu and the yakuza, you know. Corruption among the political elite is a standard assumption among the Japanese.

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Post by wrsh07 »

komali2 wrote: post #68
ChicagoBoy11 wrote: post #45

This article is idiotic if the main reason for cancelling the game is actually some "global spread" of Zika. Rio is not some city in the middle of nowhere from which no flights are coming in and out of, and now suddenly this massive international influx of visitors will come in -- it is a world-class city, a financial hub of the largest country in the continent. If we take London 2012 as a benchmark, estimates there…

5,677,000 tourists to Brazil in 2012. So 500,000 is an 8% increase, correct?

Right, over the whole year not so substantial. Assuming an even distribution of tourism per month (false, but I lack a better model), that's about 500,000 per month. This is essentially doubling the tourism during the events.

As the article says, sending tourists into an outbreak of a new virus does not seem prudent.

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Post by Tycho »

rubidium wrote: post #47
DannyBee wrote: post #33

Serious question: Has anyone seen an article or study about the microcephaly effects on pregnancy where the main population studied was not in brazil? I have yet to see a study that links it to microcephaly for anyone who has not been in brazil for a long time. I realize the mosquito isn't common, but brazil also does things like: "secretly spray tons and tons of pesticide on their populus", etc. Given these are all…

Yes, microcephaly from Zika has been detected in many south american countries. CDC supports the link, as does scientific consensus: http://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2016/s0413-zika-microcepha... It's the fat cats who don't want to move/postpone the Olympics most. They have the most to lose.

The evidence is not compelling: https://twitter.com/WLTSchirano/status/728917519457787904

Why are there hardly any cases in Colombia?

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Post by wildmusings »

cjslep wrote: post #57
xutopia wrote: post #36

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Yes. It's quite commonly used in British English afaik. You can say "This brought a twofold increase in clientele", "We saw a threefold weight increase in affected mammals". I've never seen it used passed "fourfold" though.

"Tenfold" seems common enough.

According to Google Trends (which only shows five at a time), these are the top five *folds between two and ten, excluding sevenfold which is off the charts because of Avenged Sevenfold: https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=twofold%2Cthreefold%...
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