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Re: Refugees Welcome

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Post by clarus »

turk- wrote: post #86
candl wrote: post #23

It "amazes" me why these "refugees" flock to Germany or Great Britain and not to their very wealthy brethren in countries such as Kuwaii, Egypt, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Arab Emirates, etc... Same culture, same religion and they are much closer! It also amazes me why the EU leaders insist for other European countries to accept these "refugees" when the majority of EU countries is not responsible for this situation at all…

This completely false. Five countries neighboring Syria - Lebanon, Jordan, Turkey, Iraq and Egypt - host 97% of the refugees. Turkey, Lebanon and Jordan have taken in 3 million refugees. Egypt and Iraq have another 200,000 are much poorer than Turkey, Lebanon and Jordan and have taken in 200,000 which is more than all of Europe combined. Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and UAE refuse to take in refugees in large numbers…

candl does not talk about neighbouring countries but about the Golf countries, so he is right.

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Post by tomjakubowski »

mc32 wrote: post #156
barrkel wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Applied force in their homelands - often at our (the West's) hands - is exactly what is driving many of these migrants.

You're talking about past action. I mean at this moment. Assad and daesh are the ones which need to be addressed.

I'm reminded of that children's story, "The Girl Who Swallowed A Fly."

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Post by andreasklinger »

jbssm wrote: post #194
dba7dba wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why am I downvoted? They were forced out from their home due to the conflicts. They are not out on a vacation trip.

Well, the term refugees is being used too much in this question. There are many refugees, but there are also many economic migrants amongst them. Receiving the war refugees is certainly different from receiving the economic migrants and we shouldn't mix both things as we are doing lately.

economic migrants dont explain the spike we currently see

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Post by savanaly »

jbssm wrote: post #130

Sincerely. I'm European, I'm from Euro zone. I walk in the streets in my country's capital at night and a see dozens of homeless hungry people just by walking a couple of Km. I just can't put my head around on why we should help the refugees before we help our own people. It just doesn't make any sense to me. We are giving millions to find houses for these refugees/migrants but we let our own live and die on the stre…

>I just can't put my head around on why we should help the refugees before we help our own people.

They are all humans, one the same as the other. The geographic location of birth should be irrelevant to whether I want to help someone (realistically, my gut can't help but empathize and feel closer to people born in my country, but the head should surely take over and kick that superficial notion to the curb).

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Post by tobltobs »

jbssm wrote: post #130

Sincerely. I'm European, I'm from Euro zone. I walk in the streets in my country's capital at night and a see dozens of homeless hungry people just by walking a couple of Km. I just can't put my head around on why we should help the refugees before we help our own people. It just doesn't make any sense to me. We are giving millions to find houses for these refugees/migrants but we let our own live and die on the stre…

In which country in Europe are people hungry and dying left alone on the streets?

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Post by powertower »

arrrg wrote: post #187
powertower wrote: post #119

I really can't imagine anyone singing up for this except a few people. The recent waves or unchecked immigration has produced nothing but negative effects to the population, to such an extent that even recent immigrants themselves want the doors shut.

Racism and xenophobia together with paranoid isolationism all the way to straight up facism have been on the rise recently, together with actual violence against refugees, that much is certainly true, but you forget that there are many different people with many different views living in Europe. The outpouring of support (donations, volunteer work) has also been rising a lot. In Germany I have also seen a marked shif…

You're conveniently ignoring the other's side of the argument: such as importing poverty, low wage or unskilled workers, crime, racism, xenophobia, radical ideologies and religions, incompatible views and behavior, things such as "no-go" zones, and all the other things that European countries and seeing with non-European immigration, is not a net benefit to society.

The rise of the native push-back against immigration is an effect of, and not a cause of the trouble.

Combined with a grim economic situation and dwindling economic opportunities (such as gainful employment) is also not helping much with integration matters.

Hence why people "stuck in your own isolationist filter bubble" are against it.

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Post by tobltobs »

s3nnyy wrote: post #131

>> Only then I realized that the way people live in Switzerland is not something you can take for granted and in the end made me move back. I agree. I lived in Germany for 20 years, now I live in Zurich and can't be any happier. Check out my post "Eight reasons why I moved to Switzerland" https://medium.com/@iwaninzurich/eight-reasons-why-i-moved-t... btw.: Switzerland also takes refugees, but because they want to, n…

> Switzerland also takes refugees

But only those with more than 10 Million $ in their pockets. But now seriously, Switzerland is NOT taking any noticeable number of refugees. In the current political situation a suggestion to take refuges would be suicide for every politican.

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Post by sp332 »

mcmalloc wrote: post #168
sp332 wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As many as we can?

We aren't even able to take care of all the poor people that are already here, and you think we can accommodate millions more?

Not all of them, but a lot of them. Anyway just because we haven't doesn't mean we can't.

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Post by rmxt »

jbssm wrote: post #199
ashleyp wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

True - there's still ways of helping without that. But what's the fear about letting refugees into the country? Why are people so scared of this? (genuine question =)) It seems to me the only countries whom are scared are the ones who think they're the best, greatest and fear loosing that status. This sounds like idk...country ego? lol.

> But what's the fear about letting refugees into the country? Why are people so scared of this? (genuine question =)) It's the fear of letting people with very, very, different social standards in our countries. And it's warranted. More than 50% of these refugees believe that whoever leaves the faith of Islam should suffer the death penalty and that adultery should be dealt with stoning to death . We are not talking…

Perhaps you're being downvoted because your source does not once refer to immigrants, refugees or migrants. You've presented no evidence which suggests that migrants (a particularly self-selecting group) are a uniform sampling of the population of the countries that they hail from. You've made quite an assumption there. If your polls showed the opinions of Muslims already in Western European countries, then maybe we could start to talk about the ramifications of culture clashes. As it stands now, you're looking for what you want to see: "Muslims are scary!".

I'd venture to say that people, in general, that are willing to move (east to west, or west to east) are probably more inclined to adapt to the place where they are going than the ones that stay in their country of origin.

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Post by michaelbuddy »

theworstshill wrote: post #182

80% of these refugees should be accepted by the US, after all, if you give weaponry to various "free" syrian armies to cause havoc in the region, you should take responsibility to take care of the humanitarian disaster that results. The other 20% - UK, France and Germany, whoever dumped weapons on that region. Unpopular as it is - the middle east was doing much better under strong dictators. They had civilization goi…

Interesting idea. But the "U.S." isn't giving these countries weapons. Various people from the U.S. may be doing that, I know that U.S. citizens (those of which any refugees would suddenly be living next to) didn't vote to give weapons to Syrian armies. But if you have proof of it (and I'm not saying you don't) you've then got to find out how the deal was made. Also you want to blame the gun sellers and not the gun shooters.

I get what you're trying to do. In your mind, before Europe and the U.S. (before white people) the middle east was paradise blah blah. And Western countries are intent to simply destabilize everything right, to some end.

What I don't understand is the millions of refugees are somehow not able to form their own country. What army in the world now has as many as these of age male refugees? If we are to welcome these refugees, we'd be assuming that they can melt into the shared values of the culture, follow the rules, etc. And if we assume that, then we can assume they can cooperate amongst themselves. So why are they not doing so and forming a peaceful country? Hmm, well maybe we have been BUT it hasn't worked out well.

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