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High School Student Proves “No Irish Need Apply” Signs Existed

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Re: High School Student Proves “No Irish Need Apply” Signs Existed

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Post by DanBC »

kevingadd wrote: post #7

Jensen attracted a lot of attention because he did not just write that the NINA signs did not exist, he said the Irish were and are delusional, that in order to sustain a sense of victimhood they had manufactured a group-wide lie of discriminatory anti-Irish ads and signs. He said that believing that No Irish Need Apply Signs existed was the Irish equivalent of believing in leprechauns. Here is what Jensen wrote more…

It's especially baffling because he accepts that newspaper ads saying "no irish need apply" were common, but that the signs on the buildings did not exist. Even if that's true it's weird to then say that Irish people were delusionally perpetuating their victimhood.

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Post by dylanjermiah »

Turing_Machine wrote: post #10

It's really interesting that, at least at that time and in that place, there appeared to be more employment discrimination against Irish than African-Americans. I noticed that several of the job ads would accept "colored" applicants, but not Irish. Edit: "that" -> "than".

I'd be careful, you're going against the carefully crafted rhetoric here.

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Post by unstabilo »

aaronbrethorst wrote: post #18

It's not exactly hard to prove that this used to appear in newspapers all the time. A 10 second search on the LOC website shows a ton of examples of this phrase appearing in papers across America: http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/search/pages/results/?stat... Professor Jensen should be ashamed of himself for failing to conduct even the most trivial searches for this information.

You didn't read the search results. Those are not ads, but articles mentioning the phrase, at least on the first page (20 articles).

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Post by zumtar »

raverbashing wrote: post #15
zumtar wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I think it would be hard to find an Irish Protestant at that time, no? Belfast (and the whole of Ulster) was full of them.

I know that, I'm more wondering what was the amount that immigrated to the US (in relation to Catholic Irish)

I don't have exact numbers to hand but I am sure the numbers of Protestant Irish emigrants was very high.

Poverty throughout the counties was common and they wanted to find a new and better life just as much as their Roman Catholic neighbours did.

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Post by dmoo »

zumtar wrote: post #19
School-Cotton wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did they really consider themselves "Irish", though?

Yes, of course they did. They were Irish, but the unionists agreed (along with Great Britain) that Ireland should be ruled by the King and be under British rule, and subsequently they all adopt the "British" sect of Christianity (Anglicanism).

For some details and background, Emigration Across the Atlantic: Irish, Italians and Swedes compared, 1800–1950 http://ieg-ego.eu/en/threads/europe-on-the-road/economic-mig...

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Post by vacri »

zumtar wrote: post #11
raverbashing wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why am I not surprised? I wouldn't put it past the fact that the high schooler probably knows how to google better than the "phd" "Jensen attracted a lot of attention because he did not just write that the NINA signs did not exist, he said the Irish were and are delusional, that in order to sustain a sense of victimhood they had manufactured a group-wide lie of discriminatory anti-Irish ads and signs" Oh wow, lovely…

> I think it would be hard to find an Irish Protestant at that time, no? Belfast (and the whole of Ulster) was full of them.

I was told a while back by a native that 10% of the south was Protestant, though he was talking of the modern day. I don't know how that number would translate historically.

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Post by djur »

Turing_Machine wrote: post #10

It's really interesting that, at least at that time and in that place, there appeared to be more employment discrimination against Irish than African-Americans. I noticed that several of the job ads would accept "colored" applicants, but not Irish. Edit: "that" -> "than".

At the time, black people were stereotyped as servile and easily pressed to work, while the Irish were stereotyped as pugilistic, unreliable layabouts (and, to some, sinister Papists).

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Post by aaron695 »

Australian bricklayer employment ad says “No Irish” need apply (2012)

http://www.irishcentral.com/news/australian-bricklayer-emplo...

Totally irrelevant to the conversation other than perhaps the myths/realities/realities that become myths/myths that become realities perhaps traverse time.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/result?q=irish+need+not+ap...

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Post by Turing_Machine »

djur wrote: post #27
Turing_Machine wrote: post #10

It's really interesting that, at least at that time and in that place, there appeared to be more employment discrimination against Irish than African-Americans. I noticed that several of the job ads would accept "colored" applicants, but not Irish. Edit: "that" -> "than".

At the time, black people were stereotyped as servile and easily pressed to work, while the Irish were stereotyped as pugilistic, unreliable layabouts (and, to some, sinister Papists).

I had noticed that several of the ads also specified Protestants.

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Post by azernik »

raverbashing wrote: post #15
zumtar wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I think it would be hard to find an Irish Protestant at that time, no? Belfast (and the whole of Ulster) was full of them.

I know that, I'm more wondering what was the amount that immigrated to the US (in relation to Catholic Irish)

Many (including at least two Presidents). They just tended not to identify themselves as plain "Irish".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotch-Irish_American

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