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No Surprises (2009)

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Re: No Surprises (2009)

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I guess this is a quip against Mozilla adding the 3rd party functionality?

Probably more thinking of Mozilla replacing default search with Yahoo, without asking the user.

What?

If any search engine should be the default, at least pick the best or the most privacy friendly. Yahoo is neither. On top of that it is just a relay to Microsoft Bing.

How hard is it to just ask the user which search engine they would like to use on install?

Re: No Surprises (2009)

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Does this mean they'll be rolling back the Pocket integration?

This policy has zero to do with Pocket if you actually read it. It's about changing the user's search engine and homepage. Unless of course you wanted to get in a completely unrelated jab at Pocket again because reasons.

Get over Pocket. There's no closed source code included. The open source code that integrates with Pocket is never executed due to lazy loading if you don't specifically use Pocket. No money changed hands. It was implemented because users had been asking for the functionality for years and Mozilla determined that it made more sense to partner with the best in breed provider of the service rather than reinvent the service and support it on an ongoing basis themselves. You can right-click and remove it if you don't want it.

Re: No Surprises (2009)

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That seems like a poor example of something that should be opt-in. The people who would benefit most from it seem the least likely to opt-in to optional features.

True, but I would like to know that my non-Google browser contacts Googles server every now and then. If the goal is "no surprises", then users should be made aware of this feature and allowed to opt-in or out easily.

It's pretty benign. I'm not sure "warning you about potential phishing sites" is the sort of surprise they were trying to move away from. Would you consider being warned of a revoked SSL certificate a surprise too?

Re: No Surprises (2009)

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I consider the way they hid the "block third party cookies" option a surprise. Mozilla is so dependent on Google and other companies' money, they can't be completely trusted to offer the best privacy out of the box.

The fact that Safari has 3rd party cookies disabled by default whereas Firefox hasn't... is both telling and sad.

Re: No Surprises (2009)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably more thinking of Mozilla replacing default search with Yahoo, without asking the user.

What? If any search engine should be the default, at least pick the best or the most privacy friendly. Yahoo is neither. On top of that it is just a relay to Microsoft Bing. How hard is it to just ask the user which search engine they would like to use on install?

That's the wrong question. The right question is how much Yahoo paid mozilla to do this. At a guess, a lot less than the $145M that mozilla got in the past from Google.

Re: No Surprises (2009)

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pocket is small stuff. A button on the taskbar that can be removed. Or completely disabled in about:config. Surprising, but not much damage. For me the Sync surprise was much more disappointing. They broke the feature to the extent it became unusable for me any more (unless I spend some more weekends trying to understand their poorly-documented proprietary protocol mess, which is not how I'd like to spend time).

Unfortunately the View Pocket List menu entry in Bookmarks menu cannot easily be removed. (It is there even with browser.pocket.enabled set to false). Fortunately for me that I don't access the Bookmarks menu too often to be annoyed by it.

> Unfortunately the View Pocket List menu entry in Bookmarks menu cannot easily be removed.

It will be removed if you remove the Pocket icon using the (right-click) contextual menu on the icon. The entry is not removed if you remove manually using the `about:config` way.

Related bugzilla entry[1]:

> The normal/supported way to remove Pocket works fine: Right click the button, select "Remove from toolbar".

[1] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1171569

Re: No Surprises (2009)

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post #26

I consider the way they hid the "block third party cookies" option a surprise. Mozilla is so dependent on Google and other companies' money, they can't be completely trusted to offer the best privacy out of the box. The fact that Safari has 3rd party cookies disabled by default whereas Firefox hasn't... is both telling and sad.

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