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The great reversal in the demand for skill and cognitive tasks (2013) [pdf]

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Re: The great reversal in the demand for skill and cognitive tasks (2013) [pdf]

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Once it was assumed that increased productivity would benefit the whole community, hence the expectation that productivity would lead to higher wages and/or reduced working hours.

But that hasn't happened:

In the American version of Capitalism, any benefits from increased productivity flow direct to the super rich, leaving the poor and middle-class worse off.

Meanwhile, the European semi-socialist model is also rapidly being subverted by the American model.

Re: The great reversal in the demand for skill and cognitive tasks (2013) [pdf]

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post #3

Enact a 20-hour work week. Our machines are powerful enough now that we should be able to devote our lives to human dignity, not work. Technology will only turn our world into a Dickensian hellhole if we let it.

> Enact a 20-hour work week "Enact" implies the government restricting everyone to working 20 hours per week. That's a violation of our freedom to work as many hours as we want. I do support you in that all of people shouldn't have to work in order to meet the basic needs of life today (food, housing, and connectivity). Agricultural and industrial efficiency and automization has advanced to a point where we can provi…

Maybe, in the same way that industrial safety regulations violate our freedom to work in whatever environment we want.

Re: The great reversal in the demand for skill and cognitive tasks (2013) [pdf]

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post #16

Mediocre people are getting pushed out. This is a good thing for the efficiency of the economy.

By definition, "mediocre people" make up approx. 66% of the workforce. We are supposed to celebrate their inability to make a living?

Well if the trend is right, and continues, it means future generations will have to have education and a society that by default works in a critical thinking - always learning - always thinking kind of mode. This could be huge for humanity. I think it's mostly culture and societal norms that dictate the normal modes of thinking, and that most people can do just fine if they are brought up in the right environment. The other option is some kind of transformation or crash, or that technology fails somehow and crashes. Or? Well it could be a very bright future if the conditions are right and the planet allows it

Re: The great reversal in the demand for skill and cognitive tasks (2013) [pdf]

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Once it was assumed that increased productivity would benefit the whole community, hence the expectation that productivity would lead to higher wages and/or reduced working hours. But that hasn't happened: In the American version of Capitalism, any benefits from increased productivity flow direct to the super rich, leaving the poor and middle-class worse off. Meanwhile, the European semi-socialist model is also rapid…

I suspect you are using a definition for "capitalism" that's based on something other than having private ownership of capital.

Re: The great reversal in the demand for skill and cognitive tasks (2013) [pdf]

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post #3

Enact a 20-hour work week. Our machines are powerful enough now that we should be able to devote our lives to human dignity, not work. Technology will only turn our world into a Dickensian hellhole if we let it.

In the online dictionary I consulted, dignity is defined as "The state or quality of being worthy of honor or respect."

I think productive work is one means by which individuals can become more worthy of honor and respect.

Thoughts?

Re: The great reversal in the demand for skill and cognitive tasks (2013) [pdf]

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Once it was assumed that increased productivity would benefit the whole community, hence the expectation that productivity would lead to higher wages and/or reduced working hours. But that hasn't happened: In the American version of Capitalism, any benefits from increased productivity flow direct to the super rich, leaving the poor and middle-class worse off. Meanwhile, the European semi-socialist model is also rapid…

That's the view from the US and Europe, but the lives (or at least the incomes and energy consumption) of the poor in developing economies are improving.

Perhaps the benefits of increased productivity in the developed world are simply being counter balanced by increased global competition and an equalization of lifestyles.

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> Enact a 20-hour work week "Enact" implies the government restricting everyone to working 20 hours per week. That's a violation of our freedom to work as many hours as we want. I do support you in that all of people shouldn't have to work in order to meet the basic needs of life today (food, housing, and connectivity). Agricultural and industrial efficiency and automization has advanced to a point where we can provi…

Maybe, in the same way that industrial safety regulations violate our freedom to work in whatever environment we want.

Working without safety regulation is harmful. Working 21 hours is not.

Re: The great reversal in the demand for skill and cognitive tasks (2013) [pdf]

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That strikes me as a tangent, it raises many questions (What happens if I want to work more than 20 hours a week?). The idea of a "work week" is based on the salary model which is based on the idea that companies are magical job fairies that exist to provide jobs. What if I create a product and work on it more than 20 hours? What if I want to sell peanut butter at the local food market on the weekends?

In practice, an "X hour work week" means employers are required to pay a multiple of the usual wage for hours worked past X. So you can allow/require employees to work longer, but it'll be cheaper to employ more people for fewer hours.

Which just leads to people having to get multiple jobs, with the added stress and commuting it brings.

Re: The great reversal in the demand for skill and cognitive tasks (2013) [pdf]

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> (What happens if I want to work more than 20 hours a week?) I have friends in France who sneak into their academic research labs after hours because of this exact reason (well, not 20 hours, but set max work hours)... seems super silly to me.

There has to be a mechanism for people who are truly passionate about their work, like artists, scientists, programmers, to follow their passions as far as they want. The danger, of course, is that intra-organization competition pressures people to work longer and longer hours. I'm willing to accept that risk so long as we make a shorter work week the default. We're talking about an unusual case, though. You have to…

It most likely frees them to go to their second job, now that their salary has been cut proportionally to the fewer hours worked.
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