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Lee Kuan Yew, Founding Father and First Premier of Singapore, Dies at 91

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Re: Lee Kuan Yew, Founding Father and First Premier of Singapore, Dies at 91

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Not quite, Wikipedia: "Trafficking in arms (Section 6) is a capital offence in Singapore. Under the Arms Offences Act, trafficking is defined as being in unlawful possession of more than two firearms."

That is still shocking to anyone in the US where the ratio of guns to people is 1:1.

The 1:1 ratio of guns to people is shocking to the majority of the civilised world.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fP3HJVp3n9c

Re: Lee Kuan Yew, Founding Father and First Premier of Singapore, Dies at 91

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not quite, Wikipedia: "Trafficking in arms (Section 6) is a capital offence in Singapore. Under the Arms Offences Act, trafficking is defined as being in unlawful possession of more than two firearms."

That is still shocking to anyone in the US where the ratio of guns to people is 1:1.

Yes, but note that the offense is for unlawful possession of firearms, not lawful possession (though I imagine the conditions for lawful possession in Singapore are extremely restrictive).

Where I live (Finland) the ratio is 2:5 (2 million legal guns, 5 million people). That's the highest in EU. We also have among the highest homicide rate in EU, but these two rates are not really connected (i.e. very few of the homicides done with a gun.).

Re: Lee Kuan Yew, Founding Father and First Premier of Singapore, Dies at 91

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Lets not forget that Singapore executes a higher percentage of its population than any other country on earth and canes people slicing into flesh.

For what is worth, I'd rather be executed than to "live" in an American prison. The idea that solitary confinement occurs in a first world country is appalling and scary. Don't get me started on the things inmates and guards do to some people.

It takes a long time to execute people in the USA. Having an execution hanging over your head for 20 years probably makes prison much, much, much worse.

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Go to Singapore and see how the immigrant laborers from South Asia live, how the native Malays live, and then how the ethnic Chinese and Western expats live. It's a highly stratified society where money makes the rules.

You could say the same thing for the UK. Yes, i do realize there are vast differences between immigration in the UK (or the west overall) and Singapore, but find that blaming class differences and/or the mistreatment of poor immigrants to policies is to simplify the issue.

I don't think they use arbitrarily strict libel laws in the UK to shut down opposition parties. Also, political leadership in the UK is not dynastic.

Re: Lee Kuan Yew, Founding Father and First Premier of Singapore, Dies at 91

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is still shocking to anyone in the US where the ratio of guns to people is 1:1.

The 1:1 ratio of guns to people is shocking to the majority of the civilised world. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fP3HJVp3n9c

Why? Many other countries come close to that ratio. Is there something intrinsically bad about that?

Re: Lee Kuan Yew, Founding Father and First Premier of Singapore, Dies at 91

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Go to Singapore and see how the immigrant laborers from South Asia live, how the native Malays live, and then how the ethnic Chinese and Western expats live. It's a highly stratified society where money makes the rules.

You could say the same thing for the UK. Yes, i do realize there are vast differences between immigration in the UK (or the west overall) and Singapore, but find that blaming class differences and/or the mistreatment of poor immigrants to policies is to simplify the issue.

No, Singapore's approach is fundamentally different. Singapore does not tolerate "poor immigrants": instead, it imports a vast menial labor class, who are tied to their employers on fixed-length contracts that amount to somewhere between indentured servitude and slavery.

Some all-too-typical stories: http://twc2.org.sg/

Re: Lee Kuan Yew, Founding Father and First Premier of Singapore, Dies at 91

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One of the greatest leaders of modern times. Singapore was a backwater country with no natural resources when he came to power. It's since evolved into one of the primary economic hubs in Asia, with a higher per-capita GDP than her former colonizers, Great Britain. To transform a country in such short a time is nothing short of remarkable.

I recently learnt that Kuan Yew fought desperately against the expulsion of Singapore from Malaysia. At the time, he didn't believe Singapore was viable as an independent state.

"Every time we look back on this moment when we signed this agreement which severed Singapore from Malaysia, it will be a moment of anguish. For me it is a moment of anguish because all my life ... you see, the whole of my adult life ... I have believed in merger and the unity of these two territories. You know that we, as a people are connected by geography, economics, by ties of kinship..."

Quote taken from transcript of a press conference given by LKY on August 9th, 1965 [1]

[1] http://web.archive.org/web/20140809182331/http://www.nas.gov...

Re: Lee Kuan Yew, Founding Father and First Premier of Singapore, Dies at 91

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Singapore is in for some seriously interesting times. Lee Kuan Yew did a masterful job of getting Singapore up to speed after independence, but like so many leaders over-identified with their nation, he overstayed his welcome. The Lee family's tentacles are firmly entrenched in the politics and businesses of Singapore, and while I hope they will have the common sense to tolerate the inevitable rise of the opposition -- which is already occurring, despite the steep odds stacked against them -- I'm afraid they're much more likely to lurch into outright dictatorship and fulfill Lee's own prediction:

"if there is a freak result [and the opposition wins], within two or three years, the army would have to come in and stop it” http://leewatch.info/quotes/

That date is not far off: Singapore's next general election must be held by January 2017, and the opposition is all but guaranteed to take a sizable portion of seats. Thanks to Singapore's first-past-the-post politics, if they grow from the current 40% to tip over 50%, they'll suddenly have an unassailable majority... and what then?

I'll give the final word to Lee's last standing arch-enemy, Chee Soon Juan:

“Why is he still so afraid? I honestly think that through the years he has accumulated enough skeletons in his closet that he knows that when he is gone, his son [Lee Hsien Loong, the current Prime Minister] and the generations after him will have a price to pay. If we had parliamentary debates where the opposition could pry and ask questions, I think he is actually afraid of something like that. ...

Mr Lee Kuan Yew fights all his demons within himself to try to shore up his reputation. In the process, however, he destroys the very legacy that he so desperately desires to establish.”

– Chee Soon Juan, Secretary-General of the Singapore Democratic Party

Re: Lee Kuan Yew, Founding Father and First Premier of Singapore, Dies at 91

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post #11

One of the greatest leaders of modern times. Singapore was a backwater country with no natural resources when he came to power. It's since evolved into one of the primary economic hubs in Asia, with a higher per-capita GDP than her former colonizers, Great Britain. To transform a country in such short a time is nothing short of remarkable.

Their economic production is quite remarkable.

Circa 2001 their GDP per capita was 1/3 lower than Japan, and about 1/5 lower than Hong Kong. They suffered a decade of stagnation from the early 1990s until 2003. They've been on a tear ever since, with GDP per capita now 45% higher than Japan and Hong Kong. Quite a jump in just 13 or 14 years.

Likely within another few years they'll pass Malaysia in GDP, with Malaysia having six times the population.

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