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EMACS: The Extensible, Customizable Display Editor (1981)

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Re: EMACS: The Extensible, Customizable Display Editor (1981)

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Stallman did not mention Guy L Steele jr. and Dave Moon.

Not so nice...

http://www.jwz.org/doc/emacs-timeline.html

Dan Weinreb described it this way:

'(TECO-based) Emacs was created and designed by Guy L. Steele Jr. and David Moon. After they had it working, and it had become established as the standard text editor at the AI lab, Stallman took over its maintenance.'

Re: EMACS: The Extensible, Customizable Display Editor (1981)

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post #7

Am I reading this right? You used to... not be able to see your code verbatim as you were editing it? My god, that sounds horrible.

I can remember doing a lot of line editing in MS-DOS 3.x with EDLIN. The screen editor EDIT didn't show up until MS-DOS 5.0.

Re: EMACS: The Extensible, Customizable Display Editor (1981)

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post #12
post #7

Am I reading this right? You used to... not be able to see your code verbatim as you were editing it? My god, that sounds horrible.

Sure you could. You just used pencil and paper.

I don't understand: surely with pencil and paper you are able to see the code you are editing?

Re: EMACS: The Extensible, Customizable Display Editor (1981)

#25
post #21

Stallman did not mention Guy L Steele jr. and Dave Moon. Not so nice... http://www.jwz.org/doc/emacs-timeline.html Dan Weinreb described it this way: '(TECO-based) Emacs was created and designed by Guy L. Steele Jr. and David Moon. After they had it working, and it had become established as the standard text editor at the AI lab, Stallman took over its maintenance.'

Hmm, this other 1979-era history of Emacs also doesn't mention Steele, though it does mention Weinreb and Moon, whom the author seems to have worked with closely: http://www.multicians.org/mepap.html.

Re: EMACS: The Extensible, Customizable Display Editor (1981)

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post #16
post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ftp://publications.ai.mit.edu/ai-publications/pdf/AIM-519A.pdf

Yes that is 519A which is not the same as the one I found called just 519. 519A was published 1981, 519 seemingly in 1979.

There are a few papers circa 1980 that cite an AI Lab memo with this title and give a date of 1979 [1], so there must indeed have been a version circulated earlier than the 1981 "A" version. Have you tried contacting the CSAIL archivist to see if they'd be interested in putting up a non-A version of 519?

[1] http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=802784, http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=990280

Re: EMACS: The Extensible, Customizable Display Editor (1981)

#27
post #21

Stallman did not mention Guy L Steele jr. and Dave Moon. Not so nice... http://www.jwz.org/doc/emacs-timeline.html Dan Weinreb described it this way: '(TECO-based) Emacs was created and designed by Guy L. Steele Jr. and David Moon. After they had it working, and it had become established as the standard text editor at the AI lab, Stallman took over its maintenance.'

All these years later and XEmacs is still trying to steamroll RMS. Can you just stop?

Re: EMACS: The Extensible, Customizable Display Editor (1981)

#28
I found this amusing, towards the end:

  Bravo comes from the Xerox Palo Alto Research Center. Its orientation 
  is toward text formatting, and it can display multiple fonts, underlining, 
  etc. It makes heavy use of a graphical pointing device, the `mouse' 
  (see Augment). It is not programmable and offers no special help for 
  editing programs as opposed to text. For more information, see your
  local industrial espionage agent.

Re: EMACS: The Extensible, Customizable Display Editor (1981)

#29
post #7

Am I reading this right? You used to... not be able to see your code verbatim as you were editing it? My god, that sounds horrible.

Have you ever used a 300bps modem to connect to the internet? If you did then you would see how avoiding rendering could make you much much more productive.

I had Emacs running "okay-ish" on my 300 baud modem. I wrote a terminal emulator that implemented character and line insert and delete, and region scroll, which made Emacs screen refresh (borderline) tolerable.

Let's just say that it WAS tolerable considering that my alternative was to use punchcards. (Imagine long lines for punchcard machines in the basement of the CS building, which smelled of too many students and way too much fear, and waiting six hours for your program to run. Oh, and everything in uppercase...)

Re: EMACS: The Extensible, Customizable Display Editor (1981)

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post #25
post #21

Stallman did not mention Guy L Steele jr. and Dave Moon. Not so nice... http://www.jwz.org/doc/emacs-timeline.html Dan Weinreb described it this way: '(TECO-based) Emacs was created and designed by Guy L. Steele Jr. and David Moon. After they had it working, and it had become established as the standard text editor at the AI lab, Stallman took over its maintenance.'

Hmm, this other 1979-era history of Emacs also doesn't mention Steele, though it does mention Weinreb and Moon, whom the author seems to have worked with closely: http://www.multicians.org/mepap.html .

http://web.archive.org/web/20120217011347/http://danweinreb....
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