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The tech boom in Seattle is bringing in droves of successful, insufferable guys

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Re: The tech boom in Seattle is bringing in droves of successful, insufferable guys

#21

Frankly, given the ratios of male to female residents in Seattle and other tech-heavy West Coast metro areas, nobody looking to date men (gay or straight) has any right to complain. You have your pickings! Are they all kinda similar? Well yeah, but so are the men in all other areas whose economies are heavily mono-industrial. As a matter of fact, so are the women in areas whose economies are heavily mono-industrial w…

> but this is a seriously bratty article.

I kind of get that, but, there's nothing wrong with a bratty article, and that's her experience. Should she not write about it? Or should she wait until she fits in with the local men and then write about that?

Or I could say "raise your standards" beyond vanilla, non-challenging, pleasant writing.

I really appreciate the writer's description of her experience, even if 20 years ago it would have hit close to home for me.

Re: The tech boom in Seattle is bringing in droves of successful, insufferable guys

#22
This is exactly why I hated living in the SF Bay Area. We've all heard the jokes: Man Jose and Man Francisco. This article just reminded me of the terrible time I had trying to meet a nice gal there for nearly a decade. Although, to be fair, I've read the census and it seems that the entire West Coast is afflicted by this problem of more single men than women, whereas the East Coast has the opposite problem.

Anyways, to offer an opposing point of view, I found girls like the author equally unpalatable and boring. Sorry, it works both ways.

Re: The tech boom in Seattle is bringing in droves of successful, insufferable guys

#23

There really is an epidemic of lameness in SF and Seattle. I'm a straight single guy. We also want interesting dude friends. I'm fortunate enough to have found many, but almost all of them are outside the tech industry or women. Many of my friends don't know what I do, let alone that I'm quite well off and successful. And if you ask me about my work and don't notice when I change the subject, I will immediately and w…

To be fair, a genuine man wouldn't change the subject. He'd say what he did. He just wouldn't consume the entire conversation with it. "I'm a programmer for Google. Yes, I'm evil, ride free buses, and push rent up. What do you do?"

If your "friends" don't know what you do or that you're successful, you're not genuine. You shouldn't be ashamed of it. You just shouldn't be all-consumed by it either.

Re: The tech boom in Seattle is bringing in droves of successful, insufferable guys

#25

What seems strange to me is, if she's found a strongly predictive indicator, why does she not simply filter before going on a date? Have Amazon's employees run off all the "weirdos"? She even mocks them in the last paragraph, saying how easy they are to spot. So why continue to date them? >but high on his newfound power drank four or five “special” drinks from the craft cocktail bar, Canon, ordered the foie gras, and…

Canon is a pretty easy place to run up a $200 tab. My wife and I rarely make it out of there below that, and I've done it myself on at least one occasion.

That said, five cocktails in less than two hours is going to leave all but the stoutest alcoholics a lot worse for wear, and there are more and less flashy ways of running up such a tab. Of course, neither of us was there to witness this, and as I mentioned in another comment, I'm likely part of the problem.

Tangentially related, if you're ever in Seattle and want tasty small plates and cocktails with a bit of showmanship to them (as well as a somewhat absurd scotch/bourbon menu), I'd highly recommend Canon :)

Re: The tech boom in Seattle is bringing in droves of successful, insufferable guys

#26
"When you see an asshole, you've seen an asshole. When all you see are assholes, you're the asshole"

Our generation (and by that, I mean broadly "anyone from a western culture currently in the first half or so of their career") has a serious problem with seeing and understanding things outside of our own little world. When we see things, people, events, that displease us, we always have to extract some grand underlying theory and trend about it, about why the world is against us, and why it's just not right. We're always the ones with the intelligence, the burning passion, the openness of mind, the great understanding of the world- it's always others that aren't enough. Of course, the author isn't an entitled self-centered young adult just like the men she describes: it's the whole tech industry that's even more awful than the law or banking industry, and just can't ever be good enough for her! We believe ourselves to be individuals imbued with uniqueness and intricate subtleties, and yet judge others as merely the sum of the loosely defined groups we put them in.

(I have tons of female friends who are in committed relationships/engaged/married to men from the law/banking/tech industry, while themselves having graduate degrees in literature/philosophy/fashion design/biology/etc, and they are all very satisfied. But I'm sure they are all wrong and as vapid as their partners from those god awful industries)

This woman was part of the date with the "insufferable tech worker" as much as he was. If she had a terrible time and found the date bland, chances are he did as well.

As a non American, I do find the US dating culture hilarious to the point of the absurd. It's a practice codified to the extreme, as boring as it gets, practically a checklist of do's and don'ts and desirable attributes and undesirable attributes. In an hour after work around a cup of coffee, the average American expects to gain enough knowledge about the human in front of them to judge whether they should see them again or cut contact forever. How can you expect anything but abysmal success rates in that case?

In the culture where I'm from, you typically meet people through social gatherings where your friends brought some of their friends, who themselves brought some of their friends. You get to know people through shared experiences and group discussions rather than awkward timed sit downs at the local Starbucks. And maybe after a few of those events you realize that the guy who spent the first 30 minutes of your first conversation talking about his job actually is much more than that- because honestly, how reasonable is it to issue a definitive judgement of someone based on 30 mins of conversation with someone you've never met before?

Re: The tech boom in Seattle is bringing in droves of successful, insufferable guys

#28

(writing from a throwaway account) As a young male engineer in SF who is very much not the brogrammer type, I can understand where the author is coming from. I'm neither a bro, nor a nerd. I find myself in a vacuum sometimes, wondering where the other "well rounded" guys from "flyover country" are. Everyone seems to be too caught up in their startups or caught up in the money. Or their so nerdy that it's impossible t…

I agree that teaching people how to carry on conversations would be a useful course. But the slight problem with a finishing school is that nerds will probably disagree on the topics of such a school and find some of these suggestions offensive.

E.g.

>How do you pay attention to world news and politics?

Hopefully little as most news isn't news in any usable way. And unless you're actually doing a lot of research, you're unlikely to be discussing anything at a usable level. It's not like I'm going to be comment intelligently on e.g. Crimea without spending what, hours or more(?), reading background on it. News reporting is unlikely to get much insight other than noting which countries are in NATO and saying things like if the US started a war with Russia it would be a big deal. The rest just makes people suffer more bias as they start overestimating the incidence of uncommon events.

Talking about the news is as small talk as talking about the weather. At least with the weather you're likely to get some things right.

Politics, at least in the US, seems to be dominated by moronic discourse. Even the writers/shows that I "agree" with are intellectually dishonest and obviously just "rooting for the team". I'd be surprised if all modern politics is not about the same thing.

>Can you debate philosophy gracefully and purposefully?

What do you mean by philosophy? Because what "most people" consider philosophy is unlikely to lead to any useful discussions. And worse, if you're trying to have a polite conversation with someone but somehow find out they take p-zombies seriously... well it puts a downer on the mood. Just like when someone says they've been feeling sick, probably because of all the WiFi or chemtrails. Or maybe that's what you mean by graceful? How to say "oh really?" in a nice tone and change the subject?

Re: The tech boom in Seattle is bringing in droves of successful, insufferable guys

#30

There really is an epidemic of lameness in SF and Seattle. I'm a straight single guy. We also want interesting dude friends. I'm fortunate enough to have found many, but almost all of them are outside the tech industry or women. Many of my friends don't know what I do, let alone that I'm quite well off and successful. And if you ask me about my work and don't notice when I change the subject, I will immediately and w…

To be fair, a genuine man wouldn't change the subject. He'd say what he did. He just wouldn't consume the entire conversation with it. "I'm a programmer for Google. Yes, I'm evil, ride free buses, and push rent up. What do you do?" If your "friends" don't know what you do or that you're successful, you're not genuine. You shouldn't be ashamed of it. You just shouldn't be all-consumed by it either.

You might have confused "genuine" with "compliant" and "truthful."

I am under no obligation to answer your stupid, predicable, and irrelevant to our social future questions.

In fact, it would disingenuous of me to give you the impression that your social style was anything but annoying and bland, and likely to lead to me never wanting to see you again.

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