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Countries you shouldn't visit if you want to travel to the US

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Re: Countries you shouldn't visit if you want to travel to the US

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And some countries just stopped stamping passports, you'll just get a piece of paper you'll have to keep until you are leaving the country (Israel).

A departure card like the type you're mentioning is pretty common, but isn't instead of a passport stamp.

It's instead of the passport stamp in Israel [0]. Otherwise you'd have problems getting into Jordan for example. (Other countries according to wikipedia: Iran, Kuwait, Lebanon, Libya, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen).

Source: My own experience

[0] https://www.lonelyplanet.com/thorntree/forums/middle-east/to...

Re: Countries you shouldn't visit if you want to travel to the US

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In a lot of Europe you would not know that you had crossed a border, it is no big deal. Even in and out of Switzerland that is not 'part of Europe' in the EU sense. It feels good when nobody cares to look at your passport and you can just roll on in.

There is also the knowledge that if you were up to no good, e.g. smuggling drugs, they would probably catch you as you stopped off at the 'drop off', to not just nab you but your associates too. The European customs people are clever like that, they could just open everyone's bags at the border - U.S. style - but if they have good intel that you were up to no good they would follow you and catch you doing the deed. In that way there would be no 'suspicion' about it, or a mere possession charge. It is a different style to the 'big fence' that the U.S.A. has.

Elsewhere in the world, for a comparison of how it should be, go to Canada. There are people looking at your passport, but you feel quite positively welcomed. They don't look at you like dirt.

Meanwhile, with the U.S. of A., there is no feeling of certainty that those people in uniforms are going to let you in. I remember having to go to the back of a queue half a dozen times because of form filling details at JFK and I was only on a connecting flight to Canada and I wasn't wanting to step foot beyond the airport onto hallowed U.S. soil. I am not completely illiterate, my journey was a straightforward business trip and there should have been no need to send me to the back of a queue to put a tick in a checkbox. Heaven help the guy that flies in on 'Eritrean Airways' with a black face in his/her passport, kids in tow and without knowing that peculiar American English that U.S. government officials speak.

These people that arrive at airports might be terrorists, communists and whatever else the government tells you to be afraid of, however, the majority are people with money about their person and quite prepared to spend it. Imagine the U.S.A. as one huge shop, with people wanting to come in and spend. Sure there might be shop-lifters wanting to come in, but, the vast majority just want to spend, or get a job. There is no need to tip everyone's pockets open, go through every bag and profile everyone. Having a big fence just does not make things welcoming.

I think that the U.S.A. is a wonderful place, the hospitality of people (beyond the border check points) is probably the best in the world. The scenery is fantastic. I could go on. But I am probably never going to go to the U.S. ever again. I think that the country as a whole has fallen, I prefer my memories of the good old days. I am sure there are plenty of pockets of what I like about the U.S.A., however, some innocence has been lost and the dark side has been ventured into since that otherwise fine September day that we don't speak of.

As I understand matters, money talks in the U.S.A. Before that September day we never speak of there were visa requirements to go through, but, these made you feel special that you were allowed in. It was no big deal. Since that day there has been the Department of Homeland Security - a.k.a. Lockheed Martin and friends - and there is real money in this OTT security. The parasites of the DHS are going nowhere soon and it is not as if all of the tourism businesses are going to get the voice in Washington to make things a little bit more rational. Sadly the U.S. has gone overboard on being overly militarized.

I also wonder how rich the U.S.A. actually is these days. In the U.K. we don't get as many young American people coming over here to see the world, do some reasonable short term job (e.g. front of house in a hotel or restaurant) and 'experience the culture'. There was a time when we did have more bright-young-things coming here from the U.S.A. than we do now but I don't have statistics to back that up.

My only hope is that the pendulum swings back again, that Americans realise they don't need this big fence to protect them from non-existent terrorists. One day people just might wake up and realise the confabulations of the military-government are bad for business, tourism and just being normal.

Re: Countries you shouldn't visit if you want to travel to the US

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It's getting more and more common these days that whenever I talk to people about travel, the US is completely off their list. The TSA, NSA, NYPD, Bloods and Crips, the reasons go on. It used to be that Disney Land was one of the reasons to go to America. More and more people I speak to who would have gone now say "meh" to the idea.

The US remains a very popular tourist destination and I'm guessing that many European countries will also look suspiciously at your passport if you've recently travelled to countries embroiled in conflict such as Syria, Iraq or Afghanistan.

I'd like to visit the US, but I don't like the idea of having my fingerprints taken and stored for 75 years by US authorities. Of course, it's completely within the right of US authorities to decide the rules for entry into their country and I suspect it deters a very small number of people. Fingerprints are also taken by EU countries that issue biometric passports: http://euobserver.com/news/121816

Re: Countries you shouldn't visit if you want to travel to the US

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I was studying in the US 2 years ago and during the summer break I went to India to visit my gf who is studying there. During re-entry to the US, I was detained/interrogated for couple of hours.

I believe it is probably due to I am a Muslim and I have Indian immigration stamp in my passport. I even have my I-20 endorsed prior to travelling. Even with I-20 proof, I had to convince the officer that I came to the US for education. I also have friends who are also Muslim, randomly searched/detained at the airport and all of them are students too.

Besides that, I enjoyed my stay in the US. Just the immigration part is PITA.

Re: Countries you shouldn't visit if you want to travel to the US

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It's getting more and more common these days that whenever I talk to people about travel, the US is completely off their list. The TSA, NSA, NYPD, Bloods and Crips, the reasons go on. It used to be that Disney Land was one of the reasons to go to America. More and more people I speak to who would have gone now say "meh" to the idea.

It's getting more and more common these days that whenever I talk to people about travel, the US is completely off their list. As people in the United States wake up on a Sunday morning in their time zones, I guess it falls on me to say that this all depends on whom you talk to. I know lots of people who desire to visit the United States. The United States is still second only to France as the country most visited by…

No offense but the tone of your post screams 'butthurt'. Leave your national pride and various statistics-based pissing contests out of this (and the sour grapes argument is completely emotion-based and irrelevant). There are many legitimate reasons for non-Americans to avoid the US these days and unpleasant immigration procedures are just one of them. I am for one simply afraid of going there, not knowing what kind of horrible treatment I can expect at the border if I rub some immigration officer the wrong way, and this is coming from a white European. Many of my friends feel the same way. I can only imagine what a Middle Eastern-looking person with a few stamps from 'undesirable' countries in their passport must feel like.

Re: Countries you shouldn't visit if you want to travel to the US

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A friend of mine said he would never visit Saudi Arabia because he could get jailed or killed for no reason or no fair trial. I told him thats my reason for not visiting USA, Bradley Manning among a list of many and Guantanamo.

Also, you would not be "jailed or killed for no reason" in Saudi Arabia -- it's just that some of the reasons you would be jailed are a bit unusual (adultery, alcohol, proselytizing). https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Saudi_Arabia#Respect

Or for women: Having been raped ....

(I don't find the link now, but there was a news about a European woman, that was raped and when she was going to the police, she was arrested for adultery and threatened with jail (I think) or else she should marry the rapist. I am not sure, if it was Saudi Arabia or a neighboring country, but such a thing just makes me ill!)

Re: Countries you shouldn't visit if you want to travel to the US

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's getting more and more common these days that whenever I talk to people about travel, the US is completely off their list. As people in the United States wake up on a Sunday morning in their time zones, I guess it falls on me to say that this all depends on whom you talk to. I know lots of people who desire to visit the United States. The United States is still second only to France as the country most visited by…

No offense but the tone of your post screams 'butthurt'. Leave your national pride and various statistics-based pissing contests out of this (and the sour grapes argument is completely emotion-based and irrelevant). There are many legitimate reasons for non-Americans to avoid the US these days and unpleasant immigration procedures are just one of them. I am for one simply afraid of going there, not knowing what kind…

Yeah politics suck. I remember when my older brother travelled to India to visit the in-laws. Unfortunately for him some American customs folk had turned away an Indian diplomat the previous day. So it was 'turn Americans away day' and he was the unfortunate pawn. Too a couple of days before it blew over.

Re: Countries you shouldn't visit if you want to travel to the US

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's getting more and more common these days that whenever I talk to people about travel, the US is completely off their list. As people in the United States wake up on a Sunday morning in their time zones, I guess it falls on me to say that this all depends on whom you talk to. I know lots of people who desire to visit the United States. The United States is still second only to France as the country most visited by…

No offense but the tone of your post screams 'butthurt'. Leave your national pride and various statistics-based pissing contests out of this (and the sour grapes argument is completely emotion-based and irrelevant). There are many legitimate reasons for non-Americans to avoid the US these days and unpleasant immigration procedures are just one of them. I am for one simply afraid of going there, not knowing what kind…

I have lived outside the United States (in a non-Western, non-English-speaking country) for a large percentage of my adult life, so I am very open to the perspective of people from other countries. And as I have done my own crossing of international borders, I see that each country sets its own rules about who crosses with what kind of paperwork. Unrestricted discretion of border control officers is the general rule of international law, alas, despite a period of history (before when any of us were born) when it was routine for most people to be allowed to travel freely to most civilized countries.

I don't imagine what people feel like when I can observe what people feel like. What I observe is that a lot more people on Hacker News and elsewhere desire to visit the United States and to settle in the United States[1] than decide never to go to the United States at all. That's a fact of the world that I have to deal with without emotion or name-calling but just by thinking about what policy implications that fact has.

[1] http://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/dec/14/united-states-i...

http://www.pewresearch.org/daily-number/u-s-is-top-destinati...

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