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OpenSSL is written by monkeys (2009)

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Re: OpenSSL is written by monkeys (2009)

#21

I seriously wonder what else is hidden in the mess called OpenSSL. And especially how much of the bugs are known by the NSA. Something like Heartbleed would definitely make a live-injection attack feasible!

If the NSA is going to spend our tax dollars analyzing that code, the least they could do is contribute formatting cleanup patches!

Re: OpenSSL is written by monkeys (2009)

#22
post #11

I'm going to assume "monkeys" is a poor translation from another language. Maybe it's supposed to say "OpenSSL is written by fuzzy hackers". It's impossible to tell without accepting a self-signed certificate I have no means of validating. The irony is delicious, much like a banana.

Within the page you didn't bother to read, presumably due to the mortal terror well known to be inflicted by presentation of a self-signed SSL certificate for a resource for which there's no reason to give a damn about identity validation in the first place, there's an expanded version of the metaphor which involves a reference to flung feces. So, no, I'm pretty sure that when the author says "monkeys", it's monkeys…

It's not mortal terror, it's declining to enable someone who uses racially-charged language to attack their fellow human beings while configuring their server in a way that anyone competent to evaluate OpenSSL's merits in the first place would know was no better than not having SSL at all, and in fact much worse, since it trains people to ignore certificate warnings.

Re: OpenSSL is written by monkeys (2009)

#23

I'm getting a certificate warning on Chrome 33.0.1750.152. Is there a security corollary to Muphry's law?[1] [1] - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muphry's_law

I have been using the following phrase a lot lately:

Schrodingers-Murphy's-Law:

"When you look at it, it breaks!"

I joined this company in January and had to peel back all the layers of hte onion to find out where its weaknesses were, and as soon as we start looking at how a component of the system is built and how it works - it breaks. We learn a ton real fast and figure out how to make it resilient.

Yesterday in my Ops Stand-up I told my staff: We have come a long way in rebuilding the infra; I am now paranoid that a security vulnerability will be the next thing that causes an outage...

Lucky, our ELBs on AWS were all updated without issue...

Re: OpenSSL is written by monkeys (2009)

#24
post #18

Is there anyone with a more current read on this issue (heartbleed aside)? The linked article is 5 years old, lots can change in 5 years.

As having maintained a code base that uses openssl since 2004, no, not a lot has changed, openssl has just accumulated more of the same.

Re: OpenSSL is written by monkeys (2009)

#25
post #15

I'm getting a certificate warning on Chrome 33.0.1750.152. Is there a security corollary to Muphry's law?[1] [1] - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muphry's_law

This might be intended. Supporting SSL is better than not supporting it (well, except in situations where an OpenSSL bug could leak your server's memory, but that's a bit of a stretch " rel="nofollow">http://filippo.io/Heartbleed/#www.peereboom.us> -- but put this aside), because it's always better to encrypt traffic even in a way vulnerable to passive attacks; and some people may reasonably opt-out of the SSL CA bus…

If someone has passive access to snoop, the odds they can perpetrate an active attack are so close to 100% as to make the distinction immaterial. Encryption without authentication accomplishes nothing.

Worse, self-signed certificates train users to freely click through certificate warnings. People running servers with self-signed certificates are actively reducing what security we have available for the web.

If we ever do get anything better than the existing CA structure, it won't do us any good if users have been trained to ignore browser security warnings anyway.

Re: OpenSSL is written by monkeys (2009)

#26
post #9

Be security conscious folks. Don't click through to a site with a self-signed cert.

There is nothing wrong with self-signed certificates. If you need to trust a website that uses self-signed certificates, just make sure to verify out-of-band.

Yes, I trust my own self-signed certs and I might trust the self-signed certs of certain sites. However, telling me that "There is nothing wrong with self-signed certificates." is irresponsible IMO. Who runs "peereboom.us"? #### if I know. I'm going to tell FF "It's okay - I'm good" this time b/c I'm not doing anything that matters but, as a rule, self-signed certs for unknown sites is not okay.

Re: OpenSSL is written by monkeys (2009)

#29
post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Within the page you didn't bother to read, presumably due to the mortal terror well known to be inflicted by presentation of a self-signed SSL certificate for a resource for which there's no reason to give a damn about identity validation in the first place, there's an expanded version of the metaphor which involves a reference to flung feces. So, no, I'm pretty sure that when the author says "monkeys", it's monkeys…

It's not mortal terror, it's declining to enable someone who uses racially-charged language to attack their fellow human beings while configuring their server in a way that anyone competent to evaluate OpenSSL's merits in the first place would know was no better than not having SSL at all, and in fact much worse, since it trains people to ignore certificate warnings.

You're the only one bringing race into this. All that is meant is that the author views OpenSSL as approximately what you would get if you flung poo around for a while.
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