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Ubuntu 13.10 (Saucy Salamander)

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Re: Ubuntu 13.10 (Saucy Salamander)

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Post by baldfat »

talles wrote: post #8

Is it shipped with Mir? Their what's new page is kinda succinct: https://help.ubuntu.com/13.10/ubuntu-help/whats-new.html

Mir is not ready. The next release is suppose to be a LTS which is scary.

My prediction: LTS will be 14.10 and Mir will be default in 14.04.

Re: Ubuntu 13.10 (Saucy Salamander)

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Post by frank_boyd »

abbot2 wrote: post #10

To be honest "what's new" page looks, well, not very convincing: https://help.ubuntu.com/13.10/ubuntu-help/whats-new.html

It's a bit sparse maybe. And as "early" adopters, we probably don't care about the social crap etc. But as long as I can yank those packages whenever I want, I'm fine with that.

What I'm really excited about this time around is the launch of Ubuntu Touch, being able to use an open-source OS on my mobile phone.

Re: Ubuntu 13.10 (Saucy Salamander)

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Post by 0xEA »

frank_boyd wrote: post #13
baldfat wrote: post #7

Ubuntu is not going the direction I want for "my Linux. 1. Mir is a huge mistake (My opinion) 2. Unity (Well I am tiled window manager (i3) guy now so all DEs) I really don't like the flow of OS X and it is starting to really look more like OS X. DEFAULT an easily be changed. 3. Lack of community between the Linux ecosystem. Millions is spent on Ubuntu but seems like little makes it upstream. 4. Software Center. They…

> People need to look at OpenSUSE again! Isn't it really beautiful that we actually can do this, now? We can switch platforms within the same day - without real hassle or pain. I mean tell a Windows or Apple user that they need to look at something else, and guess what their answer will be...

This argument is akin to saying "isn't it beautiful that I can go from Lion to Mountain Lion within the same day".

You aren't changing much, just who packaged the software together.

Re: Ubuntu 13.10 (Saucy Salamander)

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Post by Demiurge »

frank_boyd wrote: post #19
Demiurge wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My guess is "why? everything is working".

Actually yes, probably. Most people don't understand the importance of transparency for a real and working democracy. "Transparency" as in "open source code", for example.

I agree that they don't understand, and further more, they don't even understand what 'code' is. How computers work, or what the technical innards of the computers have to do with democracy. Frankly, I don't understand the later either :(

Re: Ubuntu 13.10 (Saucy Salamander)

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Post by bkor »

talles wrote: post #8

Is it shipped with Mir? Their what's new page is kinda succinct: https://help.ubuntu.com/13.10/ubuntu-help/whats-new.html

Mir is only planned for 14.10. They were planning Xmir for 13.10, but that has been delayed until 14.04. I think they're underestimating the amount of work that is needed for a pure Mir environment (without X handling everything via Xmir). A lot in Mir is pretty similar as in Wayland. I don't see how they'll offer the same features as X has without Xmir quicker than Wayland. Look at the amount of missing things in the GNOME Wayland technical preview. Adding an additional layer on top of X is one thing, but replacing X means a lot of work. Latest thing is getting accessibility right, which GNOME is working upon.

Re: Ubuntu 13.10 (Saucy Salamander)

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Post by eterm »

abbot2 wrote: post #10

To be honest "what's new" page looks, well, not very convincing: https://help.ubuntu.com/13.10/ubuntu-help/whats-new.html

As someone who doesn't use the dash, I am wondering what's in it for me.

Personally I've tried a few distributions over the last year or so because I've been unhappy with unity but Ubuntu's ease of use still makes me return to it, although right now I'm typing this from a Debian box. I didn't like the dreadful* gnome3 speed so switched to i3. Now if I could just work out how to stop the lazy window focus...

The trouble is is that it looks like a bag of crap right now. The font rendering is all over the place, I'd be embarrassed to use this at home although it is more productive for work than anything else I've used lately.

This might all be "my fault" because I haven't properly installed the right modules or drivers or whatever, or maybe I've not properly set up my Xorg.conf or ~.i3/config but ubuntu always just worked which is why I kept returning to it.

*Possibly because this is a VM running inside windows.

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