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Bowery – The Next Generation of Web Development

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Re: Bowery – The Next Generation of Web Development

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$1 per KB read per second. I'm confused, what does it exactly mean? You pay $1 for every KB read from DB, so 10MB will cost you $10.240 or what?

It's a measurement of throughput. So the maximum data transferred/sec at any given time.

Good call, I'll update the pricing to clarify that.

Re: Bowery – The Next Generation of Web Development

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I am impressed by how much time I've spent on the site (and still don't understand exactly what it does or why it's worth $40/user/mo.) I am also impressed by how the future of web development is a node.js package. To the creators: you are clearly capable of creating slick marketing (the site looks great!), I'd advise spending some time working on your value proposition. The "Just code / Just branch / Just works" tri…

I came here to say something similar. If the best pitch of your value proposition is "The Next Generation of Web Development", you're not going to get far with developers. Developers want to know specifically how you're going to help them. I'd argue that the byline is a better core pitch: "Build products, not infrastructure". From that, I can at least get an idea of where I'm headed. Leading with "next generation" really puts me off.

Re: Bowery – The Next Generation of Web Development

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I am impressed by how much time I've spent on the site (and still don't understand exactly what it does or why it's worth $40/user/mo.) I am also impressed by how the future of web development is a node.js package. To the creators: you are clearly capable of creating slick marketing (the site looks great!), I'd advise spending some time working on your value proposition. The "Just code / Just branch / Just works" tri…

I think the cool part is that that you could do all of this stuff and not have to worry about any of the infrastructure. The node package only works inside of the hosting environment. You're paying that much money for everything to be hosted. It says in the docs that there's no local development environment.

You will always have to worry about the infrastructure. This might be a view of hosted development's future, but every abstraction will leak. When the day the your app gets more sign ups in an hour than you have in your userbase, you'd better understand your env as deeply as possible.

Re: Bowery – The Next Generation of Web Development

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I had a cursory glance, and this has nothing to do with Twitter's Bower[1], a package manager for web libraries (hell, even the TLD is the same). Bowery is a misleading name, and it gives the impression they are somehow related. [1] http://bower.io/

Interestingly, 'bowery' is Glaswegian slang for 'come on, then!' or 'bring it!' - indicating aggression [1].

[1] http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bowery

Re: Bowery – The Next Generation of Web Development

#25
> BoweryDB is more of a data management application then a database. It analyzes access paterns to cache frequently-used data, and knows when you make updates in your code to make sure the cache is never stale. All that matters from the developers' point of view is the code they use to interact with it.

This paragraph is funny. They call it something other than a database, then describe what a DBMS does.

I also find strange version control is bolted in the platform, you could have just provided hooks so you can deploy from branch X or tag Y.

The idea is good though, I can see the value proposition.

Re: Bowery – The Next Generation of Web Development

#26

My take: Bowery is basically Google App Engine for Node.js. Of course, they put their own spin on things. The whole 'bowery connect' thing is unusual - they say that your "dev environment is online" but I'm not sure what they mean. It appears that what 'bowery connect' does is initialize a git repository and starts sync'ing filesystem changes to a remote host. In other words, rather than GAE's more traditional "deplo…

"What if HTTP endpoints were as cheap as git branches? What if you had an active endpoint for every branch?"

I really like that

Re: Bowery – The Next Generation of Web Development

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> BoweryDB is more of a data management application then a database. It analyzes access paterns to cache frequently-used data, and knows when you make updates in your code to make sure the cache is never stale. All that matters from the developers' point of view is the code they use to interact with it. This paragraph is funny. They call it something other than a database, then describe what a DBMS does. I also find…

There's a lot that goes on behind the scenes. Think about DynamoDB vs Riak.

Re: Bowery – The Next Generation of Web Development

#29
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Unlike most development environments, Bowery requires an internet connection. And I'm out. So, this seems like a sort of Google App Engine, but running on Node? BoweryDB and the Cache sound just like what App Engine provides - except that the App Engine also runs on my local dev box. The problem with this (and the App Engine) is that it's totally locked in. Your database is proprietary, your middleware is proprietary…

AppEngine's lockin is significantly overstated. AppScale exists and works well.

Do you know of any sites/services that are using AppScale in production and what their volume is? (I googled for "powered by" and found nothing)
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