Remember when WiMax was being discussed? How come it still isn't being sold yet? Could it be that it's because providers felt threatened? I suppose it would take meshnets to a whole new level.
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#22Earlier quoted context omitted.
I can see that problem solved or attenuated if those meshes turn into some kind of distributed networks like bitmessage or bittorrent where everyone has duplicate pieces of a larger "file" thus ensuring almost 99% availability. Data put in the network would be everywhere and maybe a distribution algorithm could ensure that there's always a complete source on one node so the swarm could be rebuilt if one node goes dow…
> What concerns me is how highly vulnerable to RF disruption some of those projects relying on WiFi are. This is a serious problem if you are trying to communicate vital information in a country where the government is hell-bent on not letting citizens set up counter-revolt or grass-root movements because it'll actually be very cheap to disturb those signals (I may be wrong but from what I understand of WiFi freq. ra…
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#23Remember when WiMax was being discussed? How come it still isn't being sold yet? Could it be that it's because providers felt threatened? I suppose it would take meshnets to a whole new level.
However, WiMax is not a mesh network, although you can obviously use WiMax as a physical link on top of which a mesh protocol can work.
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#24Could someone clarify what the purpose of a meshnet is? Only encryption of all the contents? Or also hiding who talks to who? That last one seems quite difficult to achieve to me, in the presence of an attacker that permeates the network (the internet).
No central control. Point to point. It's like amateur radio communication where two people can talk directly with each other radio to radio.
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#25Mesh would be much more stable and efficient when it's based not on voluntary free-of-charge participation (like bittorrent, which does not work well for not-very-popular items), but on economics. If everyone pays everyone in Bitcoin for bandwidth and storage, the competition among computer enthusiasts would create a robust working network with lowest prices possible without any fancy algorithms to detect "leechers"…
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#26Remember when WiMax was being discussed? How come it still isn't being sold yet? Could it be that it's because providers felt threatened? I suppose it would take meshnets to a whole new level.
At least in EU, WiMax failed because the states decided to licence the spectrum to the usual telcos that had no interest in deploying the technology fearing a possible cannibalization of their own businesses. However, WiMax is not a mesh network, although you can obviously use WiMax as a physical link on top of which a mesh protocol can work.
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#27Could someone clarify what the purpose of a meshnet is? Only encryption of all the contents? Or also hiding who talks to who? That last one seems quite difficult to achieve to me, in the presence of an attacker that permeates the network (the internet).
The main purpose is to have a network without depending on a central ISP. A good example of a sizable meshnet is the Athens Wireless Metropolitan[1] network which has more than a thousand backbone nodes. 1: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athens_Wireless_Metropolitan_Ne...
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#28Question: Could it be interesting to have the main project leaders set up a website allowing everybody to pay hackers to come to your home and set up the required equipment ready-to-use?
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#29Remember when WiMax was being discussed? How come it still isn't being sold yet? Could it be that it's because providers felt threatened? I suppose it would take meshnets to a whole new level.
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#30I don't really understand what CJDNS does, and for the short term you can't really participate in the meshnet without a pretty solid understanding of the technologies involved, but I personally know quite a few people in central Seattle who would be happy to host repeaters if the meshnet people can get a turn-key installation package set up. I hope they'll reach that point soon.