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Bolivia leader's jet diverted 'amid Snowden suspicions'

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Re: Bolivia leader's jet diverted 'amid Snowden suspicions'

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My inner student of conspiracy theory wonders whether there's an organized campaign of disinformation around Snowden's movements and whereabouts underway, to obscure, in the ambient confusion over where he actually is, and is going, his getting Disappeared.

I really doubt the U.S.want Snowden "disappeared"- there is spying, but also due process.

Re: Bolivia leader's jet diverted 'amid Snowden suspicions'

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post #8

It's disgusting that there isn't a single country that has granted him asylum yet.

Both Ecuador and Bolivia would. However, to be granted asylum, you need to be in Ecuatorean or Bolivian territory.

No, Ecuador has withdrawn all support for granting Snowden asylum, and Correa says any help they gave him was a mistake.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/02/ecuador-rafael-c...

Re: Bolivia leader's jet diverted 'amid Snowden suspicions'

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post #11
post #3

This is ridiculous. And I thought France wanted to give Snowden asylum? Was it a trick then? They seem to be playing on US' side here.

I am starting to think that too many governments are pretty scared that if they help Snowden some kind of scandal against them would come out, at the end NSA has tones of data about any one. All these is making pretty clear which governments are really concerned and committed with human rights and democracy and which are just about business and profit. Spain and Portugal are not a surprise, corruption and persecution…

Never thought of that as a reason for denying asylum, but it's quite obvious that if the NSA has tons of communications on your country and your politicians, you probably wouldn't want to piss them off by granting asylum to Snowden

This is almost exactly the blackmailing situation I described in this lively discussion here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5960695

I imagine that the only way to grant him asylum is to do so very very very secretly.

Re: Bolivia leader's jet diverted 'amid Snowden suspicions'

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post #11
post #3

This is ridiculous. And I thought France wanted to give Snowden asylum? Was it a trick then? They seem to be playing on US' side here.

I am starting to think that too many governments are pretty scared that if they help Snowden some kind of scandal against them would come out, at the end NSA has tones of data about any one. All these is making pretty clear which governments are really concerned and committed with human rights and democracy and which are just about business and profit. Spain and Portugal are not a surprise, corruption and persecution…

+1 I think you are probably correct. The US government must have tons of blackmail worthy "dirt" on a very large number of positions in other countries.

If we can set morality aside and speak of practical matters: my country has some tough problems. We spend as much on our corporate military industrial complex as all other countries put together (or very close to it). This "investment" has paid off nicely for us in maintaining the $ as the world's reserve currency. Even though I spent a good part of my life working in the defense industry, it seems pretty obvious that this "investment" is doing little else but making special interests very wealthy. I have my own opinions on how we can make our country safer while spending much less money.

Re: Bolivia leader's jet diverted 'amid Snowden suspicions'

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post #4

That's speculation. The pilot requested assistance and permission to land due to problems with fuel indicator. You can listen to the radio exchange in the link below. http://audioboo.fm/boos/1482009-bolivia-air-force-fuerza-aer... original post in the other thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5981156

The above account is 978 days old and has only two comments, one is the above and the other is an almost exact duplicate.

Can anyone verify the legitimacy of his link?

Re: Bolivia leader's jet diverted 'amid Snowden suspicions'

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post #4

That's speculation. The pilot requested assistance and permission to land due to problems with fuel indicator. You can listen to the radio exchange in the link below. http://audioboo.fm/boos/1482009-bolivia-air-force-fuerza-aer... original post in the other thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5981156

The above account is 978 days old and has only two comments, one is the above and the other is an almost exact duplicate. Can anyone verify the legitimacy of his link?

what are you trying to suggest?

Re: Bolivia leader's jet diverted 'amid Snowden suspicions'

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post #4

That's speculation. The pilot requested assistance and permission to land due to problems with fuel indicator. You can listen to the radio exchange in the link below. http://audioboo.fm/boos/1482009-bolivia-air-force-fuerza-aer... original post in the other thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5981156

The above account is 978 days old and has only two comments, one is the above and the other is an almost exact duplicate. Can anyone verify the legitimacy of his link?

Don't be a creep.

Re: Bolivia leader's jet diverted 'amid Snowden suspicions'

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post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The above account is 978 days old and has only two comments, one is the above and the other is an almost exact duplicate. Can anyone verify the legitimacy of his link?

Don't be a creep.

Don't post useless comments.

From the HN guidelines:

"When disagreeing, please reply to the argument instead of calling names."

Someone like you ought to have read the guidelines, or do you think having a high karma score means you no longer have to adhere to these guidelines?

Re: Bolivia leader's jet diverted 'amid Snowden suspicions'

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post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't be a creep.

Don't post useless comments. From the HN guidelines: "When disagreeing, please reply to the argument instead of calling names." Someone like you ought to have read the guidelines, or do you think having a high karma score means you no longer have to adhere to these guidelines?

Let me spell it out for you:

Sneaking around reading people's online history, then using that information to draw unwarranted conclusions about their character, is rude. Stop it.

Meanwhile, it is obvious that the person you're responding to posted the same link in two different threads because... there's multiple threads on HN which are discussing the same issue. This happens all the time.

Re: Bolivia leader's jet diverted 'amid Snowden suspicions'

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't post useless comments. From the HN guidelines: "When disagreeing, please reply to the argument instead of calling names." Someone like you ought to have read the guidelines, or do you think having a high karma score means you no longer have to adhere to these guidelines?

Let me spell it out for you: Sneaking around reading people's online history, then using that information to draw unwarranted conclusions about their character, is rude. Stop it. Meanwhile, it is obvious that the person you're responding to posted the same link in two different threads because... there's multiple threads on HN which are discussing the same issue. This happens all the time.

Wow is that some serious twilight zone BS. It takes exactly two clicks to find the information MisterWebz found. Information that was put there to be found. You don't even leave HN.

Is it also "sneaking around" if I click on your username and discover your real name, twitter username, blog URL, and email address, all that you voluntarily put there for the public?

If I open a phonebook and find someone's number, was I "sneaking around"?

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