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I guess the big factor here would be if they were purposely saying those comments in order to be assholes. Friends do make silly jokes with each other, right? Surely the person could have just said something like "Guys, not funny, because..." instead of making it a huge public shaming in the Internet Court of Law.
There were 4 women who graduated with a degree in CS in my class of more than 100 last year. The intro class to CS had almost 50% female enrollment. I watched as women dropped out, one by one, switching to math or other engineering majors, some to science or humanities. They were left out of study groups, judged by their looks publicly and awkwardly, and basically made to feel unwelcome.
I generally hate the privilege crusader SJW attitude, but we NEED more women in CS. It's not good for society to have an environment that discourages women from joining the highest paid major coming out of college. It's worth policing our tone and being extra careful to be strictly professional. If the numbers even out, I doubt it would be such an issue.
The "jokes" (which are lame) weren't directed at her from what I can gather. The OP publicly lynched them, and one guy was fired for it. What a crap situation all over :( I dont understand the offensiveness of what they said, directed at themselves, just being idiots. Christ, that could happen to me. Is fear of reprisal better than actual understanding?
The "jokes" (which are lame) weren't directed at her from what I can gather. The OP publicly lynched them, and one guy was fired for it. What a crap situation all over :( I dont understand the offensiveness of what they said, directed at themselves, just being idiots. Christ, that could happen to me. Is fear of reprisal better than actual understanding?
Actually it seems the jokes were fired solely because she was in the earshot. EDIT: downvoting, seriously? I just go by her account in the linked article, which I hope everyone commenting took their time to read as well. Her argument is clear and isn't anywhere as unfounded as skimming through the comments here would make you think. She of course could be making things up, which neither me, nor anything else who were…
I am missing something here. I get that someone could be offended by these comments, but what does it have to do with being a woman? I know females who would giggle at such jokes and males who would feel uncomfortable. I feel like the person here being the most sexist is the author, for insinuating that there's something inherent in her gender that makes "forking" jokes offensive to her. I would welcome an explanatio…
I don't know, it might be an American cultural convention though. Where I work I have a lot of Northern European and Asian colleages and the women here are by far worse than the men with forwarding explicit chain emails and questionable double entendres. Totally anecdotal, but it seems to me that soccer-mom characters are especially active in this area. Never mind who is doing it, I find it increddibly annoying, but…
In America though science is seen as 'nerdy' and most girls are discouraged from being nerds. So women in science are a minority who constantly feel defensive and overwhelmed by attention from men.
I guess the big factor here would be if they were purposely saying those comments in order to be assholes. Friends do make silly jokes with each other, right? Surely the person could have just said something like "Guys, not funny, because..." instead of making it a huge public shaming in the Internet Court of Law.
Sure, friends do make silly jokes. But friends don't let friends be assholes in public.
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I don't know, it might be an American cultural convention though. Where I work I have a lot of Northern European and Asian colleages and the women here are by far worse than the men with forwarding explicit chain emails and questionable double entendres. Totally anecdotal, but it seems to me that soccer-mom characters are especially active in this area. Never mind who is doing it, I find it increddibly annoying, but…
As I understand it, in Asia (and maybe Northern Europe too?) there is less of a stigma against women in science, so the gender ratio in these fields is more balanced. In America though science is seen as 'nerdy' and most girls are discouraged from being nerds. So women in science are a minority who constantly feel defensive and overwhelmed by attention from men.
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Actually it seems the jokes were fired solely because she was in the earshot. EDIT: downvoting, seriously? I just go by her account in the linked article, which I hope everyone commenting took their time to read as well. Her argument is clear and isn't anywhere as unfounded as skimming through the comments here would make you think. She of course could be making things up, which neither me, nor anything else who were…
Yes, because you postulate unfounded facts. Nothing in the story indicates that the jokes where fired because she was in the earshot.
>He said he would be interested in forking the repo and continuing development. That would have been fine until the guy next to him… began making sexual forking jokes
The guy inserted his forking double innuendos in a conversation two other persons were having. Do you seriously think he'd do that if one of those weren't a female?
(Also, forking jokes? Is that 1995 or what)
And, there's a massive dose of hypocrisy here, especially given the following tweets that she sent, whilst at PyCon:
@skwashd you should put something in your pants next time...
like a bunch of socks inside one...large...sock.
TSA agent faintHow is this not a massive double standard? Is this not dripping with innuendo?
Would it have been acceptable if the jokes about forking and dongles had been issued via tweets, rather than aloud? I doubt it. Given then terms of conduct specify "All communication should be appropriate for a professional audience", I doubt this complies.
Earlier, she retweeted a joke about Autism [2], a comment about a dollar bill being "6 inches long" [3], and a crack about developers being socially awkward. [4].
Let me be clear - I take no offence from any of these posts - and I'm sure they are all meant in good humour ... but, that's not the point here, is it?
And, to quote the victim herself ... "judge not yet ye be judged..."
[1] https://twitter.com/adriarichards/status/312265091791847425
[2] https://twitter.com/TheSportsBrain/status/312293963639971842
[3] https://twitter.com/adriarichards/status/312410699311755264
[4] https://twitter.com/adriarichards/status/312293950058815488
[5] https://twitter.com/adriarichards/status/313508129704927233
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Yes, because you postulate unfounded facts. Nothing in the story indicates that the jokes where fired because she was in the earshot.
From TFA: >He said he would be interested in forking the repo and continuing development. That would have been fine until the guy next to him… began making sexual forking jokes The guy inserted his forking double innuendos in a conversation two other persons were having. Do you seriously think he'd do that if one of those weren't a female? (Also, forking jokes? Is that 1995 or what)
Uhh, yeah... If he was crude enough to make forking jokes, he wouldn't care what his audience was, perhaps he'd even prefer it to be guys so they can all laugh along with him...