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Salary Negotiations: What is Possible When There's no More Money

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Re: Salary Negotiations: What is Possible When There's no More Money

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It didn't sound like was a budget problem - it sounded like the issue was that more senior people would be butthurt that someone who hadn't been there as long as making more money.

Well, in the article it does state she ended up showing him the financials and they genuinely couldn't afford anything over that extra $2k.

Ah, you're right, I skimmed too quickly.

Re: Salary Negotiations: What is Possible When There's no More Money

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This is in line with what one of my previous bosses taught me about negotiations: negotiation is about truly understanding the interests of the other side. In this case even those they are not aware of.

He also used to put crap clauses into contract drafts (if he knew they'd be passed through lawyers), so that the lawyers can demonstrate being useful without messing with the actual matter of the contract. A true example of serving the true interest of the other side :)

Re: Salary Negotiations: What is Possible When There's no More Money

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I find this article slightly odd. It sounds to me like the author got a raw deal. I've been in this situation before early my career. The old "we want to promote you but can't give you much more money, here's a bunch of vacation days instead". Guess what you do with vacation days when you have no money. Sit at home and be bitter about the fact that you can't afford to go any where. And you look for another job. > She…

>Guess what you do with vacation days when you have no money. Sit at home and be bitter about the fact that you can't afford to go any where. And you look for another job. I bet literally nobody on hacker news has a side project that they wish they had time for. Nope. Nuh uh. /s The stuff I'm pushing for at my company is being allowed to remote-work, and more time off. Not because I want to get away from anything, bu…

We're talking about someone who couldn't afford a cell phone. Money becomes less important the more of it you have.

Re: Salary Negotiations: What is Possible When There's no More Money

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When I was negotiating my salary with my previous employer the only thing I asked for was more vacation time. They refused and instead offered me an extra $3000 so I could take unpaid time off.

They ended up working me to the bone for 6 months then laid me off once the product shipped.

Little things like this can really give you insight into how a company works. If a company is only willing to negotiate on money then maybe money is the only thing they are interested in.

Re: Salary Negotiations: What is Possible When There's no More Money

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I find this article slightly odd. It sounds to me like the author got a raw deal. I've been in this situation before early my career. The old "we want to promote you but can't give you much more money, here's a bunch of vacation days instead". Guess what you do with vacation days when you have no money. Sit at home and be bitter about the fact that you can't afford to go any where. And you look for another job. > She…

She didn't hold him back. She helped him draw nearer to his bigger goal of going to grad school by being creative. Sure, a bigger raise would have also achieved the same goal, but as the author pointed out, she empathized with her employee and found creative ways to show that she actually cared and wanted to make the situation best for both of them, not just her.

Re: Salary Negotiations: What is Possible When There's no More Money

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post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Guess what you do with vacation days when you have no money. Sit at home and be bitter about the fact that you can't afford to go any where. And you look for another job. I bet literally nobody on hacker news has a side project that they wish they had time for. Nope. Nuh uh. /s The stuff I'm pushing for at my company is being allowed to remote-work, and more time off. Not because I want to get away from anything, bu…

We're talking about someone who couldn't afford a cell phone. Money becomes less important the more of it you have.

And somebody who wanted to spend all of their time surfing.

What do you think they'd be doing on days off? Surfing maybe?

Re: Salary Negotiations: What is Possible When There's no More Money

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post #15

"Weakness is strength. Strength is weakness." Being a small flexible company means they can't compete on money, but they can compete on flexibility and increasing quality of life. I think that's all any employee wants from a job -- a good quality of life. Money is probably the worst way of quantifying if they employee is already middle class. It's amazing even how "here's a week to fix that low priority problem that…

What if "that low priority problem that bugs the shit out of you" is your crappy job?

Re: Salary Negotiations: What is Possible When There's no More Money

#28

I find this article slightly odd. It sounds to me like the author got a raw deal. I've been in this situation before early my career. The old "we want to promote you but can't give you much more money, here's a bunch of vacation days instead". Guess what you do with vacation days when you have no money. Sit at home and be bitter about the fact that you can't afford to go any where. And you look for another job. > She…

> Guess what you do with vacation days when you have no money. Sit at home and be bitter about the fact that you can't afford to go any where.

What? This whole "no fun without money" attitude is maleficent bullshit.

This dude had a surfboard and waves are free. Besides that, there's a ton of activities that are fun and free or almost free. Running, walking, swimming, biking. Even if you can't do physical activities (for a reason that isn't merely an excuse) there's still meditation, for which the only requirement is basically that you are alive.

The only reason that stops anyone from having fun without money is the mindset.

Re: Salary Negotiations: What is Possible When There's no More Money

#29
"Bargaining for Advantage" is my goto book. It's really solid and highly recommended for anyone that does any negotiation of any sort.

It has a test to see what bargaining type you are and doesn't just focus on the "get the max tricks" like a couple of other books.

Pretty ethical in general.

Re: Salary Negotiations: What is Possible When There's no More Money

#30
Is it just me, or is it weird that this brand new blog (really just an advert for a writing company) has had 3 blog posts, all 3 have been submitted to HN (2 by the same person), and all 3 have gotten pretty high scores?

The other 2 stories being:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5304317 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5292431

They must be good writers!

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