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RIP, MBA - The economic crisis has exposed the myth of business-school expertise

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Re: RIP, MBA - The economic crisis has exposed the myth of business-school expertise

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sigh I just got home from my evening MBA class after a full day of work. I'm the Director of IT at a pharmaceutical manufacturer in Florida and graduated with 4.0 in CS and Econ with Math minor as my undergrad. After my MBA, I'm hoping to pursue a CS/Math PhD degree and I consider myself a lifelong student with no desire to make millions. I mentioned all of this because I want to make it clear that my reasons to defe…

Sorry Charlie, but you (MBA's) have lost control of your own branding. Consider dumping the title Master's of Business Administration and go with Organizational Economics or something.

I don't know how to tell you to get your street cred back, but you'd better start excluding the riff-raff somehow.

Re: RIP, MBA - The economic crisis has exposed the myth of business-school expertise

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sigh I just got home from my evening MBA class after a full day of work. I'm the Director of IT at a pharmaceutical manufacturer in Florida and graduated with 4.0 in CS and Econ with Math minor as my undergrad. After my MBA, I'm hoping to pursue a CS/Math PhD degree and I consider myself a lifelong student with no desire to make millions. I mentioned all of this because I want to make it clear that my reasons to defe…

As someone with an MBA (though not from a so-called "good" school") I definitely agree with your "know-it-all nobodies" sentiment. In fact this is one of the things I found hardest to stomach about Silicon valley - so many pundits spouting platitudes that would get you laughed out of even the worst B-school get lauded as geniuses.

That's what you get from having a huge vast thing like the Internet and giving people free reign, though.

I remember joining my first forum - I was 13, and everybody who said anything and sounded decisive was a "pro" to me. I remember telling my father that Squaresoft was making Final Fantasy games based on the work these people were doing, and getting mad when he told me that wasn't the case, because this guy said it online. I also find that every time I join a new "scene" online, there's the same reaction. When I was a big user of TheAdminZone, there were a lot of people running huge forums that knew their shit, and a lot who just got lucky and would spout pretty stupid things, and it took me a little while to realize that these was this disparity. Same thing with the writers on DeviantART, the community managers at Zoints, the popular blog scene at Tumblr, and especially with Gawker, which is the one that I feel makes the biggest rift in my online communities today.

On the Internet, everybody's a noob and an authority. If I want to diss Tim O'Reilly and say he doesn't know anything, I can, and somebody will read my diss and be influenced by it. On the other hand, there're a lot of people online who are famous for being famous: people like Julia Allison or Cory Doctorow come to mind.

Finally, there's the fact that we're all still pretty much n00bs here. The Internet's less than 20: this isn't like the world of, say, movie making, which has a century's knowledge to it. Furthermore, everybody's aware of this lack of precedent, and so everybody wants to be the person that gets known for the equivalent of Orwell's tips on writing. We're a very postmodern medium in that regard, because the discussion happens on the same plane as the publication. Everybody's as much of a celebrity as other people say they are, and there is no distinct authority.

I'd be willing to bet that 20 years into movie-making things were similar. In fact, the one similarly young industry today - the gaming industry - suffers from the same problems of amateurism and groupthink.

Re: RIP, MBA - The economic crisis has exposed the myth of business-school expertise

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sigh I just got home from my evening MBA class after a full day of work. I'm the Director of IT at a pharmaceutical manufacturer in Florida and graduated with 4.0 in CS and Econ with Math minor as my undergrad. After my MBA, I'm hoping to pursue a CS/Math PhD degree and I consider myself a lifelong student with no desire to make millions. I mentioned all of this because I want to make it clear that my reasons to defe…

Sorry Charlie, but you (MBA's) have lost control of your own branding. Consider dumping the title Master's of Business Administration and go with Organizational Economics or something. I don't know how to tell you to get your street cred back, but you'd better start excluding the riff-raff somehow.

I'll disagree with this. Don't run! Be at the forefront of the group of MBAs who'll show just what an MBA is worth!

Now's not the time to be abandoning the title. Now is the time for courage and a level of pride in what you've accomplished.

Re: RIP, MBA - The economic crisis has exposed the myth of business-school expertise

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sigh I just got home from my evening MBA class after a full day of work. I'm the Director of IT at a pharmaceutical manufacturer in Florida and graduated with 4.0 in CS and Econ with Math minor as my undergrad. After my MBA, I'm hoping to pursue a CS/Math PhD degree and I consider myself a lifelong student with no desire to make millions. I mentioned all of this because I want to make it clear that my reasons to defe…

Thanks for commenting, and let me put to you a question that bothered me about this superficial article:

If MBA programs are a place where people are taught technical details they won't need to know to fulfill the get-rich-quick fantasy that brought them there, what are those irrelevant technical details?

What's your curricula, and what makes it valuable or not valuable?

Re: RIP, MBA - The economic crisis has exposed the myth of business-school expertise

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No, we are all down. It's really a question of who's down more. Go over to wilmott.com and you will see the ex-physicist quants getting all defensive too. Not to mention the finance theorists. Oh, and don't forget the economist-philosophers like Laffer and Greenspan.

MBAs shouldn't be trusted to make important decisions, and neither should the rest of us apparently. Maybe check with Mom first next time.

Re: RIP, MBA - The economic crisis has exposed the myth of business-school expertise

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I think what Clayton Christensen has contributed in terms of his theory of disruptive innovation at the Harvard program is valuable. An MBA trained under him would have an visionary adavantage in a startup situation.

I have a Harvard MBA and took Christensen's class. The guy has a major outsized ego and frankly I didn't learn much more in his class than I did from his book (other than he's diabetic, Mormon and likes to cold call!).

Re: RIP, MBA - The economic crisis has exposed the myth of business-school expertise

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The MBA is not going to die anytime soon. As a society, we need ways to quickly and efficiently rank people by merit. The MBA today offers this exactly the same way a bachelors degree used to offer it. Most don't really use 90% of what they learn but it helps sort out those who are not willing to do extra. I don't have an MBA, nor do I plan on getting one. I don't see it as good use of my time but I still highly doub…

It's definitely not going to die any time soon.

The "M" in an MBA still stands for Master's degree. Master degrees are certainly not worthless. If the author of the article wants to disparage graduate level studies, he certainly ought to go after more than one particular brand of degree. The MBA hating is getting really old.

Re: RIP, MBA - The economic crisis has exposed the myth of business-school expertise

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sigh I just got home from my evening MBA class after a full day of work. I'm the Director of IT at a pharmaceutical manufacturer in Florida and graduated with 4.0 in CS and Econ with Math minor as my undergrad. After my MBA, I'm hoping to pursue a CS/Math PhD degree and I consider myself a lifelong student with no desire to make millions. I mentioned all of this because I want to make it clear that my reasons to defe…

Thanks for commenting, and let me put to you a question that bothered me about this superficial article: If MBA programs are a place where people are taught technical details they won't need to know to fulfill the get-rich-quick fantasy that brought them there, what are those irrelevant technical details? What's your curricula, and what makes it valuable or not valuable?

you can argue that an MBA is very shallow on technical skills. There is a large difference between MBA, and getting something like Masters in Finance.

MBA is the more generic one, where you get to learn fewer skills, many of which you can learn while working. Somebody with real finance skills, is more valuable in my eyes.

Having done a year part time program, I can say that the number one thing I learned there was that MBA is very overrated, and you can pick a lot of skills/more by being in the right place (small company).

It might be valuable for people that are looking into higher title in the coorporate world/consulting (an MBA is more like a gateway to some jobs), but for all those startupers, it is really of little value.

You waste a lot of money and 2 years of your life that you could have been spending creating a real product.

Now with all that financial engineering bubble going away, we will see the real value of the MBA.

Re: RIP, MBA - The economic crisis has exposed the myth of business-school expertise

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone with an MBA (though not from a so-called "good" school") I definitely agree with your "know-it-all nobodies" sentiment. In fact this is one of the things I found hardest to stomach about Silicon valley - so many pundits spouting platitudes that would get you laughed out of even the worst B-school get lauded as geniuses.

That's what you get from having a huge vast thing like the Internet and giving people free reign, though. I remember joining my first forum - I was 13, and everybody who said anything and sounded decisive was a "pro" to me. I remember telling my father that Squaresoft was making Final Fantasy games based on the work these people were doing, and getting mad when he told me that wasn't the case, because this guy said i…

Good points all. Of all things, you've managed to remind me of "The Structure of Scientific Revolutions." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Structure_of_Scientific_Rev...) which gave rise to that hugely overused "paradigm shift" phrase.

Re: RIP, MBA - The economic crisis has exposed the myth of business-school expertise

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sigh I just got home from my evening MBA class after a full day of work. I'm the Director of IT at a pharmaceutical manufacturer in Florida and graduated with 4.0 in CS and Econ with Math minor as my undergrad. After my MBA, I'm hoping to pursue a CS/Math PhD degree and I consider myself a lifelong student with no desire to make millions. I mentioned all of this because I want to make it clear that my reasons to defe…

"An MBA from a good university is HARD and enlightening work."

Could you elucidate what is "HARD" ? I am NOT being sarcastic. I am genuinely curious, but I've found MBA coursework , (except in advanced finance) to be relatively easy compared to, say, a compilers class.

Running a real marketing campaign could be hard (depending on the context) but what is hard about the MBA course work in marketing?

Could you give couple of examples of what was hard about your MBA so we can understand better? (repeat, I am NOT being sarcastic or mocking you)

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