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RIP, MBA - The economic crisis has exposed the myth of business-school expertise

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Re: RIP, MBA - The economic crisis has exposed the myth of business-school expertise

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sigh I just got home from my evening MBA class after a full day of work. I'm the Director of IT at a pharmaceutical manufacturer in Florida and graduated with 4.0 in CS and Econ with Math minor as my undergrad. After my MBA, I'm hoping to pursue a CS/Math PhD degree and I consider myself a lifelong student with no desire to make millions. I mentioned all of this because I want to make it clear that my reasons to defe…

I think it's backlash against the fact that a lot of bad middle managers are MBAs and a lot of programmers have worked for them. They then generalize, "This is what MBAs are." and apply it to the universe as a whole.

There's a similar phenomenon in the startup world when you get some fresh MBA who's ready to try his mojo and "has The Great Idea and just needs to find a programmer", again, annoying and leads to this sort of generalization.

But flipping things around it's like saying, "Haha, yeah, coders never shower and have never had a date!" Sure, there are people that fit the stereotype, but they don't have exclusive rights on business or technical study.

My co-founder has his masters in business and communication. So far as I know, he's never had a computing course. He uses Ubuntu, can sling a little PHP, CSS and JS and discuss graph clustering and collaborative filtering in an overview-ish way. Oh, right, but he's supposed to be dumb.

Re: RIP, MBA - The economic crisis has exposed the myth of business-school expertise

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sigh I just got home from my evening MBA class after a full day of work. I'm the Director of IT at a pharmaceutical manufacturer in Florida and graduated with 4.0 in CS and Econ with Math minor as my undergrad. After my MBA, I'm hoping to pursue a CS/Math PhD degree and I consider myself a lifelong student with no desire to make millions. I mentioned all of this because I want to make it clear that my reasons to defe…

As someone with an MBA (though not from a so-called "good" school") I definitely agree with your "know-it-all nobodies" sentiment. In fact this is one of the things I found hardest to stomach about Silicon valley - so many pundits spouting platitudes that would get you laughed out of even the worst B-school get lauded as geniuses.

Re: RIP, MBA - The economic crisis has exposed the myth of business-school expertise

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually, the author is clearly stating the causal relationship. He is pointing out that free market fundamentalism is the cause of the crises and Business schools are the cheerleaders for free market fundamentalism. Now, I personally do not agree with that argument, but your criticism of author's argument is unfounded.

Perhaps some B-schools are the cheerleaders, but I never saw it where I was. Economics departments are where that particular meme came from, and they don't actually teach economics in B-school except tangentially.

My experience is the same. I think people are confusing the macro (economics) with the micro (running an actual company). Business schools focus on the micro and in doing so very rarely address economic systems as a whole.

To but it a different way economics is about how the rules of an economic system are created. Business school is about teaching the student to work within the rules already created in the existing system.

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I think what Clayton Christensen has contributed in terms of his theory of disruptive innovation at the Harvard program is valuable. An MBA trained under him would have an visionary adavantage in a startup situation.

A friend with a fairly recent MBA from Harvard told me that such professors are highly sought after by students. The school has some sort of lottery/bidding system to allocate slots in those classes.

Re: RIP, MBA - The economic crisis has exposed the myth of business-school expertise

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I have an MBA from a school that sometimes makes the Top 50 lists. I had some extra scholarship semesters available as an undergrad and was allowed to partake in the MBA program concurrently.

The MBA experience shaped the way I think about problems as much as my undergrad in computer engineering. A good program teaches students to think through problems using an economic framework while engineering school promotes a technical one. Both are valuable (as are many other ways of thinking).

Here's a specific example: Is Amazon's new EC2 dedicated instance pricing a good deal? A naive analysis requires simply adding up the sum total of all costs and comparing the difference. What's wrong with that?

1. A dollar today is worth more than a dollar tomorrow. How much more? That depends on your unique circumstances. You're a start-up? It's really expensive to spend money today. You'd much rather pay more later when your concept is proven out. Are you GE and can borrow at rates only slightly higher than the government? Then, a dollar now isn't much different than a dollar tomorrow. So, you have to establish what's referred to as a discount factor to compare payments made at different times.

2. The dedicated instance program has characteristics of an option. You have the right but not the obligation to purchase server hours. So, your economic model has to allow for the future decision to switch over to the per-hour model if prices drop drastically.

3. The "strike price" (using the term loosely) of the option is fixed even though Moore's law is likely to hold over the life of the option. Is paying $500 now for the right to purchase server hours for 70% off a good deal if server hours only cost 1/5th of what they do now at the time of the option's expiration? How steeply can prices decline so that you are still at the point of indifference between paying up-front and paying later?

4. A quick analysis of the marketplace for on-demand computing suggests that it is quickly becoming commoditized (at least at the basic levels). Price competition for commodity-like goods is tremendous, so we should expect prices to drop as more competitors emerge. Even if Moore's Law didn't hold, one shouldn't evaluate the option based on today's pricing.

5. The option doesn't appear to be transferable. What discount factor does one place on purchasing something valuable that he can not sell?

I actually put together such a model. Even under optimistic Moore's Law cases and high discount rates, dedicated instances are a good deal (presuming you will use all three years with certainty or can transfer your rights).

Re: RIP, MBA - The economic crisis has exposed the myth of business-school expertise

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I think what Clayton Christensen has contributed in terms of his theory of disruptive innovation at the Harvard program is valuable. An MBA trained under him would have an visionary adavantage in a startup situation.

A friend with a fairly recent MBA from Harvard told me that such professors are highly sought after by students. The school has some sort of lottery/bidding system to allocate slots in those classes.

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Re: RIP, MBA - The economic crisis has exposed the myth of business-school expertise

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I think what Clayton Christensen has contributed in terms of his theory of disruptive innovation at the Harvard program is valuable. An MBA trained under him would have an visionary adavantage in a startup situation.

A friend with a fairly recent MBA from Harvard told me that such professors are highly sought after by students. The school has some sort of lottery/bidding system to allocate slots in those classes.

if Harvard were interested in spreading the good word, they could have taped the lectures and had them online by now. I'm sure you don't need to be in the same physical room to get 90% of the good man's lessons.

Re: RIP, MBA - The economic crisis has exposed the myth of business-school expertise

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In the interest of full disclosure, I am a current MBA student during the day and developer by night. Its unfortunate that this article focused solely on the financial industry. I agree that some schools seems to breed more of what the author is referring to in the industry. Yet I think its a blanket generalization to all MBA programs. The MBA typically gets a bad wrap when any economic problems start to occur. Most…

@neovintage I totally agree with you. I am an engineer by training and is currently in the second year of business school. I would have to say this article has too narrow a focus and stereotype MBAs. There is a lot more to MBA than finance and people who sought for big payouts. I have come to business school to understand the business side of things. As an engineer, I just did not understand why this marketing people just kept asking me to make things that I don't see a value in.

Business School is a place that allows people with motivation and the will to change the world to share ideas with each other. Of course, there are also some people who are more keen in getting a comfortable job and lead a comfortable life. But so far for me, attending business school has extended my horizon greatly (I did figure out that finance is not my cup of tea and technology is my true passion). I have learnt a lot about people skills, finance (to help me understand term sheets when I startup), business strategy and ways to grow businesses so my ideas can achieve the biggest impact on people's lives.

Re: RIP, MBA - The economic crisis has exposed the myth of business-school expertise

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

A friend with a fairly recent MBA from Harvard told me that such professors are highly sought after by students. The school has some sort of lottery/bidding system to allocate slots in those classes.

if Harvard were interested in spreading the good word, they could have taped the lectures and had them online by now. I'm sure you don't need to be in the same physical room to get 90% of the good man's lessons.

You can always read his book and email him any thoughts or questions. You'd be surprised how often you get a response.
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