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Re: I don’t need your newsletter

#21
Your best marketing idea is probably not an e-mail newsletter.

So this is where the logical chain leaps from "I am on a bunch of newsletters which I don't value" to "Email newsletters are ineffective." That's a category error, right? (4:30 AM, somebody find the word for me.)

A "newsletter" is probably not the best positioning you could have for a scheduled opportunity to get in touch with a customer/prospect about something of mutual interest, but be that as it may, they're big freaking business. Billions upon billions of dollars a year. Every single time folks do one of those poll-Fortune-500-CMOs-and-ask-about-channel-ROI email obliterates every advertising channel, organic search, social media, etc etc.

Additionally: there is a different-strokes-for-different-folks effect going on. You might very well find How To Make Thanksgiving Bingo Cards boring. (God only knows I do!) I forgot to press send on that in 2010 and people found me to complain about it. In this wide world there is probably somebody who gets the Hoover email and has that be a nice little mini-highlight of her morning. She might print it out and clip parts of it. Maybe even show it to her friends.

Many of you run startups / software businesses. I'm sort of talking my book here, but if you trust me on anything, trust me on this: software businesses -- including software businesses with very techy customer bases, including techy customers who profess to hate email -- routinely figure out how to send emails that people like to receive, that successfully motivate behavior, and that repeatably generate absolute truckloads of money.

The unit economics of it are almost staggering: in quantity, emails cost substantially less than a penny to send. When you get in touch with the 10,000 people who affirmatively asked to hear from you, many of them are, predictably, right around that time in their life where they are in need of your product or service. They were busy because they have friends, children, jobs, hobbies, and a million things more important than remembering every company they have ever done business with, but if you catch them at the right moment, bam, sales process begins again. Given that getting a new customer in the door routinely costs companies hundreds or thousands of dollars, it's very, very easy to justify budgeting a whole quarter a year to keep old customers in a mutually beneficial warm relationship.

Re: I don’t need your newsletter

#22
post #7

have you tried pressing the "spam" button? I find that most of these "newsletters" stop arriving in my inbox after I do that (with my gmail account).

If I did not explicitly subscribe to a newsletter, I will hit the SPAM button. I do not care if I completed a transaction with the sender, spam is spam. I don't bother with the unsubscribe links.

I'll usually try the unsubscribe button first, if I recognize the name of the sender. But if it is difficult to unsubscribe, or doesn't work effectively, then the SPAM button it is.

Re: I don’t need your newsletter

#23
As others have said, sounds like newsletters by themselves aren't the problem. But those who misuse them? I'm right there with the author. Hateful.

The key with any marketing is relevance. If you're getting messaging at any time that's not relevant to you, then someone on the marketing team is doing a crappy job.

(And if there's no way to successfully opt-out...that just makes my blood boil. The brands doing that are wasting their time and, more importantly, yours. The really good marketers should occasionally send out a 'list cleaning' email to be sure that people want to receive their newsletter.)

But as for newsletters as a whole, I agree with the others. Hate the player - not the game.

Re: I don’t need your newsletter

#24
post #16

When giving out your email to a website, change the email slightly using a + sign like this: " + @domain.com". The email will still get to you but when they share it with affiliates you'll at least know who shared it.

This doesn't work with all email services. The only one I know of is Google. So gmail and private email hosted by Google Apps. Anyone know of other email services that work this way?

Pretty sure most email services support this as the syntax is part of RFC 822. The problem is when certain websites ignorant of this standard, choosing not to validate email addresses with a "+" character.

Re: I don’t need your newsletter

#25

If you're trying to market your product, there is nothing as powerful and successful as email. Yeah, your crappy newsletter will probably just get deleted by 95% of people who get it, but the cost/benefit is still in your favor. If you want to be a success in business, sometimes you have to take off your "indignant customer" hat and put on your "trying to make a sale" hat. Don't be a jerk to your customers, and make…

Subscribing a customer to an e-mail newsletter that they didn't ask for is being a jerk to your customers. You might get a few extra sales, but for every sale you get you'll also get a bunch of customers who think you're an annoying spammer and will want nothing more to do with you.

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Re: I don’t need your newsletter

#26
post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This doesn't work with all email services. The only one I know of is Google. So gmail and private email hosted by Google Apps. Anyone know of other email services that work this way?

Pretty sure most email services support this as the syntax is part of RFC 822. The problem is when certain websites ignorant of this standard, choosing not to validate email addresses with a "+" character.

We might be talking about two different thing. OP was referring to a feature of gmail that recognizes anything before a + as your username and still delivers the email to you, regardless of what's after the +. A common use of that feature is to put a note to yourself about where you used that email, like so michaelapproved+hackernewskolya@gmail.com. So, when you see a message to that address, you'll know where the person got your email from. I don't believe all email services/servers behave this way.

What you might be referring to is the syntax of the email address. Yes, it is syntactically correct to use a + in an email and not all email services/servers and web forms properly recognize that it is correct to use the plus.

Re: I don’t need your newsletter

#27

If you're trying to market your product, there is nothing as powerful and successful as email. Yeah, your crappy newsletter will probably just get deleted by 95% of people who get it, but the cost/benefit is still in your favor. If you want to be a success in business, sometimes you have to take off your "indignant customer" hat and put on your "trying to make a sale" hat. Don't be a jerk to your customers, and make…

Subscribing a customer to an e-mail newsletter that they didn't ask for is being a jerk to your customers. You might get a few extra sales, but for every sale you get you'll also get a bunch of customers who think you're an annoying spammer and will want nothing more to do with you.

> but for every sale you get you'll also get a bunch of customers who think you're an annoying spammer and will want nothing more to do with you.

Facts not in evidence. Sleazy spam still exists, suggesting there is still profits to be made even deep in the gutter.

Not saying companies should spam, just pointing out that the above is not a true statement.

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