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EU to soon classify AWS and Azure as gatekeepers under DSA

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Re: EU to soon classify AWS and Azure as gatekeepers under DSA

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Post by itopaloglu83 »

pjc50 wrote: post #7
itopaloglu83 wrote: post #3

It’s a very thin and a political line between being a gatekeeper and a very successful company. Are we soon going to say Spotify, ASML, and Carl Zeiss are also gatekeepers?

Do Zeiss provide digital services? If not, then how are they a digital markets act gatekeeper? Americans may be used to political characterisation by arbitrary whim of the President, but the EU actually has a process. You can read the decisions: https://digital-markets-act.ec.europa.eu/gatekeepers-portal_... Rules for gatekeepers: https://www.eu-digital-markets-act.com/Digital_Markets_Act_A... > turnover equal to or…

I was pointing out the arbitrary and political nature of the decisions being made.

A company being a monopoly is a problem, unless it’s a European one like ASML etc. Then it’s a technology they built over the years and they should reap the benefits of it.

Which one is it, are monopolies bad or the markets, digital or not, defined by how much European involvement and ownership it contains? Or is DMA a tool to catchup in certain markets by curbing the external parties?

Re: EU to soon classify AWS and Azure as gatekeepers under DSA

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Post by itopaloglu83 »

jraph wrote: post #6
itopaloglu83 wrote: post #3

It’s a very thin and a political line between being a gatekeeper and a very successful company. Are we soon going to say Spotify, ASML, and Carl Zeiss are also gatekeepers?

For ASML and Carl Zeiss (which I didn't know about), it seems like a stretch from what I can read about them. But for Spotify, why not? > It’s a very thin and a political line between being a gatekeeper and a very successful company. Of course. If you are a tech company that becomes as successful as to be a monopoly or a participant in an oligopoly with a strong network effect, why wouldn't you be recognized as a gat…

> If you are a tech company that becomes as successful as to be a monopoly or a participant in an oligopoly with a strong network effect, why wouldn't you be recognized as a gatekeeper?

Exactly. There are numerous monopolies that are scumming resources and wealth out of masses and not being tackled either because they’re owned by the right people or they’re strategically important. Then the discussion about how monopolies are bad and that’s why we’re addressing them becomes a mute argument. It’s supposed to be a government of the people, but sometimes it’s using it as an excuse to serve the interests of the few in right places, and not the successful companies.

Re: EU to soon classify AWS and Azure as gatekeepers under DSA

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Post by itopaloglu83 »

3836293648 wrote: post #10
itopaloglu83 wrote: post #3

It’s a very thin and a political line between being a gatekeeper and a very successful company. Are we soon going to say Spotify, ASML, and Carl Zeiss are also gatekeepers?

Is that not the point? Exceptions for newcomers, strong customer protections against established players

I think that’s how it started but turned into we need to take a cut of your business.

Markets should be defined clearly and monopolies or institutions that suck wealth out of nations should be controlled, regardless of their origin, the US or not.

Re: EU to soon classify AWS and Azure as gatekeepers under DSA

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Post by itopaloglu83 »

AIcanbiteme wrote: post #20
itopaloglu83 wrote: post #3

It’s a very thin and a political line between being a gatekeeper and a very successful company. Are we soon going to say Spotify, ASML, and Carl Zeiss are also gatekeepers?

Is this really a good faith comment? Anyway the EU just fines US tech giants, it's part of doing business in the EU. It must be worthwhile, the fines must only amount to a small percentage of the lucre gathered there.

Digital Markets Act was supposed to define markets and allow competition, however it quickly turned into some existing monopolies putting their fingers into some American businesses and not addressing the main issues.

Whenever a successful European company like ASML is mentioned in the same context of monopolies due to their earned success in the semiconductor industry, then none of the market control (and I’m not just talking about digital markets here) goes out of the window.

Then I keep asking myself, are monopolies a bad thing that needs to be regulated because they can kill innovation and suck resources from nations, or does that only apply when it’s certain American companies only when they threatening the benefits of certain oligarchs.

Re: EU to soon classify AWS and Azure as gatekeepers under DSA

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Post by josephh »

If a multinational utility operates power grids in both the EU and the US, and a European company chooses to import power from the US grid, I don't know why EU would penalize the utility when the US grid has an outage. They really should be penalizing their European entities for failing to architect a local redundancy.

If EU's going to use this as an excuse to designate them as gatekeepers, maybe they should just block EU accounts from provisioning resources outside of Europe. These providers are taking all the blame for architectural decisions made entirely by their customers.

Re: EU to soon classify AWS and Azure as gatekeepers under DSA

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Post by d0liver »

josephh wrote: post #25

If a multinational utility operates power grids in both the EU and the US, and a European company chooses to import power from the US grid, I don't know why EU would penalize the utility when the US grid has an outage. They really should be penalizing their European entities for failing to architect a local redundancy. If EU's going to use this as an excuse to designate them as gatekeepers, maybe they should just blo…

I think you just made some strong arguments for classifying them as gatekeepers. The idea, like you said, is to make it so that competitors can enter the market and pick up the slack in areas where AWS and Azure are dropping the ball.
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