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Re: Unicode 18.0.0 Beta

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Post by pwdisswordfishq »

zyx321 wrote: post #17
turblety wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did they give a reason why it was declined? Was it some bureaucratic "form not filled in correct" thing, or are they actually against the concept of it?

That list only includes suggestions that were seriously considered and voted on. Since it's a vote, there is no single official 'reason' for rejection. If I had to guess: it would be confusing to anyone who didn't grow up with American TV shows.

Eh, it's not like there are hundreds of emojises pretty much exclusively tied to Japanese culture.

Re: Unicode 18.0.0 Beta

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Post by brikym »

computer23 wrote: post #4

The internet needs a "tin foil hat" emoji, but two proposals have been rejected :( Emoji proposals and status: https://unicode.org/emoji/emoji-proposals-status.html

Seems like a conspiracy. Also it's so silly that pistol turned into water pistol.

Re: Unicode 18.0.0 Beta

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Post by maxbond »

pwdisswordfishq wrote: post #21
zyx321 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That list only includes suggestions that were seriously considered and voted on. Since it's a vote, there is no single official 'reason' for rejection. If I had to guess: it would be confusing to anyone who didn't grow up with American TV shows.

Eh, it's not like there are hundreds of emojises pretty much exclusively tied to Japanese culture.

They were grandfathered in, not voted on. Or rather there was a vote that resulted in adopting the character sets developed by Japanese telecoms en masse.

Re: Unicode 18.0.0 Beta

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Post by BadBadJellyBean »

orangepanda wrote: post #2

What everyone actually cares about — new emojis! * Cracking face * Left/Right thumb sign * Monarch butterfly * Pickle * Lighthouse * Meteor * Eraser * Net with handle

I need a table emoji because then I could combine it with a horse emoji. This would be "Pferd Tisch" (Horse Table) in German which sounds similar to "Fertig" which translates to "done". Yes I want it only for that dumb joke.

Re: Unicode 18.0.0 Beta

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Post by infinita740 »

pveierland wrote: post #6
poulpy123 wrote: post #5

looking at the changes it makes me wonder: - is there an usable font the cover all unicode ? - if not is there really a point to include everything possible in unicode ? - how many space is remaining for new alphabet and smileys ? - how do they handle changes in scripts, for example if new proto-cuneiform or seal script symbols are discovered ?

The Noto fonts have great coverage: https://notofonts.github.io/overview/

Pretty cool vizualisation.

There is also GNU unifont [1] "The original intent of Unifont was to offer a simple font format with wide Unicode coverage to render something meaningful for each Unicode code point"

[1] https://unifoundry.com/unifont/index.html

Re: Unicode 18.0.0 Beta

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Post by wodenokoto »

turblety wrote: post #9
computer23 wrote: post #4

The internet needs a "tin foil hat" emoji, but two proposals have been rejected :( Emoji proposals and status: https://unicode.org/emoji/emoji-proposals-status.html

Did they give a reason why it was declined? Was it some bureaucratic "form not filled in correct" thing, or are they actually against the concept of it?

Generally Unicode is for encoding all existing encodings/writing.

So you generally can’t add something because it would be cool or fun or useful, but only because it is currently in use and cannot be encoded by Unicode.

Re: Unicode 18.0.0 Beta

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Post by [deleted] »

lifthrasiir wrote: post #15
Rp8yXmdmr wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would be more interested if they are ever going to cancel HAN unification. Looking at their "Factors for Exclusion" list it could be summarized by "we made some mistakes in past but are sticking to it" :D

Han Unification was effectively "fixed" by Ideographic Variation Sequences, so no.

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Re: Unicode 18.0.0 Beta

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Post by vintermann »

sourcegrift wrote: post #28

Personally the whole emoji thing is an unmitigated disaster. I'm okay with smileys and gestures but everything else is pointless

I'm okay with smileys, but Unicode wasn't the right standard to deal with it. Unicode maybe wasn't the right standard to deal with anything.

At least nothing is wiggling. Of those Unicode points which are graphical, at least all of them can still be printed on paper and won't require a screen. I wonder how long that invariant lasts.

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