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It is time to build a new internet

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Re: It is time to build a new internet

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Post by zzo38computer »

etoxin wrote: post #2

You should checkout the Gemini Protocol. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gemini_(protocol)

There are also the other "small web" protocols (and some other stuff). Either way, it is still the same internet and not a new one, and still uses TCP/IP and DNS (although not HTTP/HTML). (That does not mean that it is not worth anything, though.)

Re: It is time to build a new internet

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Post by hntiz »

etoxin wrote: post #2

You should checkout the Gemini Protocol. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gemini_(protocol)

This was my first thought when reading the title. I've spent the last month using chawan browser, which has a Gemini layer. And it's generally just a lot of fun to mix old web 1.0 layers with a new one.

Re: It is time to build a new internet

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Post by jmclnx »

etoxin wrote: post #2

You should checkout the Gemini Protocol. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gemini_(protocol)

Yes and it is cell phone friendly. I moved my site to gemini a couple of years ago. Maintenance is trivial compared to the WEB.

There is also gopher and USENET, but on cells it can be hard.

But the largest issue is the users attraction to "bright and shiny". I think no matter what comes I fear it will end up on the same path as now. Gemini has the ability to avoid enshitification, but it is still not attracting users like www.

Anyway alternatives exist but they need some TLC and a method to keep out commercial entities.

Re: It is time to build a new internet

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Post by 4d4m »

Explain to me the risk to you, average internet user....of a competing network you might choose to join. This may not be the right implementation but p2p and mesh networks seem like the only solve to walled gardens and the current landscape.

Seems to me like OP is trying to work around dns

Re: It is time to build a new internet

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Post by avaer »

If such a thing ever becomes big enough that money can be made, it will rot, and orders of magnitude faster than the current internet did.

More than making the new stack non-interoperable with existing tech, you would have to make it non-interoperable with existing money. And then you're talking an even bigger revolution than a new internet.

There's a kernel of interesting ideas here, but I don't think it pays due enough attention to the rotting of the internet being a socioeconomic problem (feature?) first.

Re: It is time to build a new internet

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Post by ethanplant »

rfarley04 wrote: post #18

The human.json protocol is worth checking out as a proxy for the whole "more human internet" conversation. Not perfect but interesting! https://codeberg.org/robida/human.json

`human.json` is a neat idea and I’ve been watching it closely. I’m even debating dropping one on my own site.

That being said, the fact that the obvious attack vector goes completely unaddressed gives me pause.

Re: It is time to build a new internet

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Post by apothegm »

jplusequalt wrote: post #9

Some form of gatekeeping, or vouching system seems far more practical to implement.

All it takes, though, is for one unscrupulous or lazy individual to join, and then they vouch for a few people they don’t really know, and then you get a bot vouched for, and then a few more, and the first few bots vouch for other bots, and soon they’re all vouching for each other and you’re back to where you started.

Basically, it’s a system that works at a scale where individuals can hold one another accountable. But not really beyond the Dunbar number, and certainly not at internet scale.

Re: It is time to build a new internet

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Post by tomrod »

kelseyfrog wrote: post #14

> What we basically need is a completely new protocol stack that is not interoperable with TCP/IP. You cannot solve social problems using technical solutions. Someone would simply build a bridge and siphon data out or in. Interoperability is one of those low-hanging fruits that, once solved, ruins its value.

You can solve a ton of social problems with technical solutions.

100 different, easy to integrate internets federated across a number of different communication technologies and protocols is actually very hard to regulate and capture.

Sure, you won't have another Facebook, but we children of the 70s, 80s,and 90s would ser value in that.

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