There's a few efforts in this area, and I agree, there is value to be extracted.
'value to be extracted' seems like the exact opposite of the author's sentiment.
It is time to build a new internet
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#12If TFA had been "it's time to build a new World Wide Web", I'd be on board. Most of the web is a dumpster fire and has been for a while.
But there's lots of good stuff on the Internet that isn't the web or web-adjacent.
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#13i will watch tv show again
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#14> What we basically need is a completely new protocol stack that is not interoperable with TCP/IP.
You cannot solve social problems using technical solutions.
Someone would simply build a bridge and siphon data out or in. Interoperability is one of those low-hanging fruits that, once solved, ruins its value.
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#15It's the most dumb article I have ever seen on Hackernews with respect to the writer who has knowledge about protocols and concepts. No TCP/IP means no normal internet routing. → You would need a totally new way for machines to find and send data to each other. Bots are not tied to HTTP/HTML forever, people can write new bots for the new protocol, including by the use of GUI automation (digital or with plotters that…
That seems harsh.
Yes there's technical challenges, but the current iteration of the clearnet is on life support from a humanistic perspective.
And, projects of similar conceptual scope already been accomplished. There exists more than one application layer network built on top of the current Internet.
If you want to criticize the idea I encourage you to; but please don't just shoot down and insult on hn.
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#16geminispace already exists, though. Just go there.
Came here to say the same thing. It does use TCP/IP but I didn't really understand why "no TCP/IP" is a hard requirement of the original article anyway.
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#17I don't remember the name of the software/protocol, but I once saw a demonstration of something that seemed similar to the Internet using amateur radios communicating with each other. I think they had either email or something functionally similar, but I was told that it didn't use Ethernet or IP at all (if I'm remembering correctly).
Edit: found it, it was TARPN https://tarpn.net/t/packet_radio_networking.html
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#18The human.json protocol is worth checking out as a proxy for the whole "more human internet" conversation. Not perfect but interesting!
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#19I agree with the principle that the internet has, for lack of a better word, gone to shit.
This isn’t the answer though. It’s not technically feasible and doesn’t actually address the problem.
Your falling into the classic software brain trap of thinking the solution to a social problem is a technical one, when that isn’t necessarily the case.
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#20Bloody hell. All the way down to TCP/IP? Listen, even getting myself fully IPv6 was a freaking adventure. This is dead in the water. I've gone so far as having a Gemini instance at gemini://g.wiki.roshangeorge.dev which no one has accessed. To be honest, I don't even understand the motivation. The Internet seems fine to me. The protocols in use here are quite nice and there's always Gemini if you want a protocol that is pure document oriented.
Perhaps a HTTP browser that only `Accept`s `text/markdown` might be interesting but replacing IP is right out for me to participate in, at least.