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How to be anti-social – a guide to incoherent and isolating social experiences

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Re: How to be anti-social – a guide to incoherent and isolating social experiences

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I think this rather describes someone with a cognitive bias which can be cured rather than someone truly anti social (I know someone who I believe is anti social but they tick off a lot more boxes than this. There is an overlap for sure in what you described BUT its a lot more complex than this)

Yeah, but many of those self-identify as anti-social rather than biased.

Re: How to be anti-social – a guide to incoherent and isolating social experiences

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This seems to be a very peculiar and adversarial interpretation of anti-social. I am relatively anti-social and consider this a bit of a character flaw, but would generally say that I do not assume the worst in others and am relatively introspective. It just doesn't come naturally to me, but that does not mean that I think less of others.

Re: How to be anti-social – a guide to incoherent and isolating social experiences

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The other day someone described themselves to me as an 'empath' which was odd, because in the context of the discussion it was invalidating to hear. And ironic considering they hadn't forseen how I would take it.

Some people have ultimate confidence in their social judgements and the true sign of empathy is a kind of meta-empathy that allows you to consider truly alternative understandings of the world i.e. empathy for empathy.

Re: How to be anti-social – a guide to incoherent and isolating social experiences

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This list is actually just narcissism combined with low self-esteem. For younger introverts, none of this behavior is necessarily anti-social if the group all shares these same traits. The moment a member of that group has any higher self-esteem than the rest, they will either see that individual as "cool" or as a threat (or both). To be truly anti-social is to either completely isolate yourself, or be unrelentingly…

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Re: How to be anti-social – a guide to incoherent and isolating social experiences

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone who identifies as autistic, I learned to smile and just listen. I’ll ask questions and try and put my little anecdotes in but for the most part I just let other people talk. Works reasonably well. I usually run afoul when the situation is serious and I show up with my smile.

What about when people start making fun of you for being silent?

Given the context of the discussion is about lacking social cues, its not possible to know the social setting to give you specific advice.

However, I would suggest considering if the ‘making fun’ is in casual conversation or truly adversary.

In casual conversation of someone making jest about your lack of speaking, just smile and say you are having a good time listening and hanging out.

If they are actually making fun of you, never associate with those people again, they suck

Re: How to be anti-social – a guide to incoherent and isolating social experiences

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This list is actually just narcissism combined with low self-esteem. For younger introverts, none of this behavior is necessarily anti-social if the group all shares these same traits. The moment a member of that group has any higher self-esteem than the rest, they will either see that individual as "cool" or as a threat (or both). To be truly anti-social is to either completely isolate yourself, or be unrelentingly…

I think the most important part of being antisocial is the ulterior motive for their hostility and refusal to situate themselves in an equitable or respectful social framework, which is invariably benefit to oneself. The type of benefit that an anti-social person seeks out is probably not like the usual suspects, though.

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Re: How to be anti-social – a guide to incoherent and isolating social experiences

#29
> when all hope is lost in conversation, retreat into your self

This speaks to me quite a bit, particularly around unfalsifiable topics I'll have with friends/family, such as theology. If we define hope as the idea they'll change their mind and agree with me, seems not much one can do but retreat into themself, right? I suppose I can sympathize with their sentiment before I retreat into myself, but taking this bullet point at face value I'm unsure how to make this a pro-social experience :/

Re: How to be anti-social – a guide to incoherent and isolating social experiences

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> dig in your heels when confronted with overwhelming dissent Of course, the majority is always right and we should yield to it right away /s

One heuristic for spotting when you might be wrong is that you hold a very uncommon belief. It COULD be that you are correct and the world is crazy, but its far more likely that you are the one who is missing something. It's always worth stopping to double check when this happens. Perhaps more importantly, if you do happen to be right when everyone else is wrong its important to determine your goals. Is it more impor…

> Nobody likes to be told they're wrong

I like to be told I'm wrong. While it is true that I am a nobody it means I'm about to learn something.

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