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Tesla reportedly developing new smaller, cheaper EV after killing Model 2

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Re: Tesla reportedly developing new smaller, cheaper EV after killing Model 2

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Post by Morromist »

FireBeyond wrote: post #19
Morromist wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn't be too shocked if they're real. They aren't going to be making humanoid robots that actually are useful and don't price 99% of people out of buying them and they have to come out with something new eventually. And they can copy a lot of features from the better, cheaper chinese cars and just sell them for 3x as much in the american market because they have no competition here and the chinese are barred fro…

I'd say they're as real as the $35K Cybertruck Musk promised us (not that many of us wanted it).

Exactly! That's a perfect analogy.

Re: Tesla reportedly developing new smaller, cheaper EV after killing Model 2

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Post by dzhiurgis »

tapoxi wrote: post #4

It's a shame what happened to this company. I used to really want a Tesla, but now the brand signifies your support for Musk/DOGE, they killed half their lineup, and they keep mentioning that cars aren't the future as they aim for driverless taxis and robots. At least they opened the supercharger network. My mom picked up a Cadillac Optiq and even with her being on the other side of the country she was able to seamle…

I finally test drove friends BYD Sealion 7. Yes interior is very nice, soft materials, etc (to a point where it almost feels tacky). Drive felt much softer than my mid-gen Model Y (almost too boaty and rolly but thats is completely fine for a family car).

The software is not great tho, really misses the point and I can see why people hate touchscreens. No single pedal driving (idk perhaps they haven't enabled it), no phone as key, no profiles, engine start/stop button.

Overall I'd say people are sold on features without looking in depth what you get with Tesla. And Tesla still outselling any other brand here in NZ.

Hope I can try out Zeekr 7x performance in couple of weeks. I heard a lot of good things about it.

Re: Tesla reportedly developing new smaller, cheaper EV after killing Model 2

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Post by dzhiurgis »

andrecarini wrote: post #8

My impression as a driver-in-training is that people are too complacent and forget they are handling a machine that could at any moment kill and maim you, your loved ones and random innocent bystanders. I wish we all were more responsible about it, and I hate the Tesla philosophy of going the opposite way (the touchscreen, the sorta there but not really autopilot, etc)

Every new car has autopilot now, whats your point?

Re: Tesla reportedly developing new smaller, cheaper EV after killing Model 2

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Post by jfengel »

quantified wrote: post #16
cyanydeez wrote: post #3

Tesla is basically proof positive that the market, oligarchy and fund managers are all in the Epstein-sphere of influence. No rational market would suffer the type of business management and products that Tesla produces.

You're forgetting a fan base. It's in the same category as a meme stock or NFT back in the day. Same way that haters gonna hate, believers gonna believe, and sometimes attack those who question/threaten their worldview. The boosters boost because they BELIEVE.

I don't think the comparison is entirely fair. There was never anything to NFTs. It was always a scam.

Tesla builds actual cars. For a while, these cars were innovative, and the best of their class. Their price was based on a wildly optimistic version of what they could become, but at least it had some nonzero value.

It's true that they've stopped innovating and have fallen behind, so that "optimism" has turned in the direction of "pure delusion". But I still think it's unfair to compare it to something that never demonstrated any value of any kind.

Re: Tesla reportedly developing new smaller, cheaper EV after killing Model 2

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Post by znkynz »

ramesh31 wrote: post #14

It will still be $30k+ out the door, guaranteed. There's zero interest in making an actual affordable car when their margins are so high at that level.

Will be eaten alive by the chinese competitiors at that ridicilous price point.

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Post by mullingitover »

jerlam wrote: post #15
ramesh31 wrote: post #14

It will still be $30k+ out the door, guaranteed. There's zero interest in making an actual affordable car when their margins are so high at that level.

There are a lot of new $30K EVs on the market right now, as manufacturers have added a lot of incentives since the EV rebate expired. And a lot of slightly used EVs are coming off lease this year. Tesla is going to struggle since their brand no longer has any cachet and people aren't interested in subscribing to a kinda-self driving feature.

It's not that it doesn't have cachet, it has anti-cachet.

People of Musk's exact political stripe absolutely are not impressed if you drive a Tesla, and everyone else, at minimum, is silently counting it as a character flaw and judgment problem.

To top it off, they're not the latest or the greatest EVs available and it's common knowledge at this point. The two metrics that they maximize, range and 0-60, are not really a big factor in day-to-day ownership in the way that a smooth ride and build quality are.

Re: Tesla reportedly developing new smaller, cheaper EV after killing Model 2

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Post by quantified »

jfengel wrote: post #25
quantified wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're forgetting a fan base. It's in the same category as a meme stock or NFT back in the day. Same way that haters gonna hate, believers gonna believe, and sometimes attack those who question/threaten their worldview. The boosters boost because they BELIEVE.

I don't think the comparison is entirely fair. There was never anything to NFTs. It was always a scam. Tesla builds actual cars. For a while, these cars were innovative, and the best of their class. Their price was based on a wildly optimistic version of what they could become, but at least it had some nonzero value. It's true that they've stopped innovating and have fallen behind, so that "optimism" has turned in th…

NFTs actually appreciated in price for a while. Still waiting for our FSD Teslas to appreciate and be useful as robotaxis as promised by Musk.

There is definitely a meme element here. It is fair to compare anything to anything, just not to equate anything with anything. There is, I think, sufficient overlap on certain dimensions to warrant looking at them together.

Re: Tesla reportedly developing new smaller, cheaper EV after killing Model 2

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Post by the_biot »

burnt-resistor wrote: post #13
tapoxi wrote: post #4

It's a shame what happened to this company. I used to really want a Tesla, but now the brand signifies your support for Musk/DOGE, they killed half their lineup, and they keep mentioning that cars aren't the future as they aim for driverless taxis and robots. At least they opened the supercharger network. My mom picked up a Cadillac Optiq and even with her being on the other side of the country she was able to seamle…

Absolutely waste but with insufficient accountability. I don't understand how or why shareholders haven't sued him into penury. Taking political positions as a business figure is inherently fraught with risk, but then taking extreme political positions, openly flaunting drug use, and suggesting human decency is weakness is bloody weird and insane that will only lead to hubris. I don't want to know a CEO's religion or…

Because while Musk is certainly running Tesla into the ground, without him it would sink even faster. Without his hype jacking up the share price, it's just a carmaker with 2.5 models, cratering sales, fast obsoleting tech, and no new models in the near pipeline.

All the shareholders can do is hang on to the ride for as long as they can.

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