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Re: Tell HN: Russians may soon lose access to the global internet

#21

Nothing surprising here, nationalism requires isolating the people from external sources of information in order for its debilitating propaganda to succeed.

Small correction: authoritarianism requires using hypernationalism / ultranationalism to isolate people from external sources of information, in order for propaganda and censorship to be effective.

Which is indeed the motive behind so-called "splinternet" efforts, such as this.

Re: Tell HN: Russians may soon lose access to the global internet

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No. You need people not being sheep to fight a police state. Russians are sheep. Russia has become a police state.

Have you yourself fought anyone? Besides arguing on the internet with strangers

The front line is everywhere, as you know. You are fighting an information war and some of us are here to troll you back.

Re: Tell HN: Russians may soon lose access to the global internet

#23
Hey, I'm from Russia, been living with a VPN for a couple of years now — need it for work and just in general: YouTube, various services, you name it.

I live in a small town, and so far none of the major blocks people talk about in Moscow, St. Petersburg, and border regions are really felt here. I keep up with the news and it's clear the situation in big cities is noticeably worse.

If you're seriously thinking about this — moving to a small town out in the provinces might actually be a surprisingly workable option, at least as a temporary fix. The infrastructure is different there, and the "targeted" blocks tend to arrive late, if at all. Not a permanent solution obviously, but you do buy yourself real time.

Re: Tell HN: Russians may soon lose access to the global internet

#24
Have you heard of Mesh Networking between devices?

If enough people in dense urban areas ran something like meshtastic or a similar protocol, you could theoretically pass traffic peer to peer without touching ISP infrastructure at all. range is limited but in a city like Moscow where apartments are packed close together it's at least worth thinking about.

Re: Tell HN: Russians may soon lose access to the global internet

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vpn protocols we use here nowadays are way more advanced than this, they mimic a TLS handshake with a legitimate (non blocked site, like google.com) and looks essentially like regular https traffic to that site it looks like they are basically impossible to detect, given the failure to block them, outside of timing attacks (seeing if a request crosses Russia's border and comes back quickly after), however that is ful…

Super interesting stuff, but won't this require multiple (possible untrustworthy / adversarial parties) to abide by your protocol? Like if you don't control all the nodes in the VPN then why can't the Kremlin just enforce a blacklist at said bad node?

you do/can control all the VPN nodes in this setup (most often just a single one) since your traffic doesn't actually go through the website you're masking under

and the nature of the protocol makes it extremely difficult to detect and thus get server IP banned, i got one server banned, but after that i implemented some practices (including directly connecting to websites that are inside Russia) and it's been working fine since then

Re: Tell HN: Russians may soon lose access to the global internet

#26
https://github.com/danoctavian/awesome-anti-censorship

I was trying to find a certain github page, it was like a forum entirely within github issues, or something like that, people were posting bypasses--solutions to that problem(for the technically-minded). Now I can't find it.

Re: Tell HN: Russians may soon lose access to the global internet

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you need secure channels of communication (and preferably a connection to the outside world) to solve any problem

No. You need people not being sheep to fight a police state. Russians are sheep. Russia has become a police state.

It will happen to you soon, and you won't fight.
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