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Italy, Belgium set to lose gas supply after biggest LNG plant bombed

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Re: Italy, Belgium set to lose gas supply after biggest LNG plant bombed

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Post by drysine »

Joeri wrote: post #12
wiseowise wrote: post #2

Hope this will be a wake up call for the countries to double down on green/nuclear energy instead of sucking Russian/Middle Eastern tit.

The majority of Belgium’s electricity comes from nuclear, wind and solar. They have been greatly expanding wind parks in the north sea, and they’re in the early stages of deploying SMRs. But the reality is that Belgium still needs a lot of natural gas for electricity production and its large chemical industry, and that all of this gas has to be imported. Long term there is the European hydrogen strategy which aims to…

What about heating?

Re: Italy, Belgium set to lose gas supply after biggest LNG plant bombed

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Post by wiseowise »

throw310822 wrote: post #10
wiseowise wrote: post #2

Hope this will be a wake up call for the countries to double down on green/nuclear energy instead of sucking Russian/Middle Eastern tit.

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> we

Who's 'we', comrade?

Is that you? https://i.redd.it/0vgfxkqo7p0d1.jpeg

Re: Italy, Belgium set to lose gas supply after biggest LNG plant bombed

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Post by woodruffw »

throw310822 wrote: post #19
woodruffw wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> starting from the US arrogance that led to the war in Ukraine What arrogance would this be?

The arrogance of ignoring repeated Russian requests to stop NATO expansion and Ukraine integration into NATO, and of not stopping (well documented) US political meddling in Ukraine. This went on for many years- Mearsheimer was able to predict the war ten years in advance. The US and Europe ignored all this- the US maybe because it really stood to gain from a war, Europe because it thought it was beneath itself to ser…

On its face, this suggests that only Russia and the US have any autonomy vis a vis who gets to be in NATO. What about what Ukraine wants?

Re: Italy, Belgium set to lose gas supply after biggest LNG plant bombed

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Post by kakacik »

throw310822 wrote: post #10
wiseowise wrote: post #2

Hope this will be a wake up call for the countries to double down on green/nuclear energy instead of sucking Russian/Middle Eastern tit.

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The problem is, russia wants to see Europe subjugated, conquered, its lapdog ripe for governance from russia to have everything stolen by few oligarchs around that clown puttin'.

This is russian modus operandi everywhere, they don't know any better, they never knew. This comes from somebody who grew up behind iron curtain, a country effectively enslaved by russians, forcibly having massive russian military bases and atomic weapons, to be a nuclear battlefield that 3rd world war was supposed to be.

You can't have a fair dealings with them, not when they sense any kind of weakness. Former german leaders showed conjsistently such weakness and desperate appeasing, dragged rest of EU with them and look where it led to. Also, russia as a state is waging 20+ years of asymetric warfare against whole west, but especially focusing subverting EU structures.

I wish we could have normal relationships with them, we really tried in Europe, but they are fucked up as a nation, without any hope in this century for any sort of radical change.

I agree US is right now just a bully and arrogant aggressive a-hole, sowing chaos all around the world and poorest suffer the most. But there are not that many options - fucked up US with no clear leadership change (once trump's support goes to single digits I will restore some of my faith in that nation, not sooner), russia is simply the bad guy globally, consistently, and gulf states are not so reliable as we see. What remains - Venezuela, Nigeria maybe? No good choices, maybe due to resource curse but then again ie Norway managed such free treasure just fine.

Re: Italy, Belgium set to lose gas supply after biggest LNG plant bombed

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Post by ZeroGravitas »

throw310822 wrote: post #19
woodruffw wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> starting from the US arrogance that led to the war in Ukraine What arrogance would this be?

The arrogance of ignoring repeated Russian requests to stop NATO expansion and Ukraine integration into NATO, and of not stopping (well documented) US political meddling in Ukraine. This went on for many years- Mearsheimer was able to predict the war ten years in advance. The US and Europe ignored all this- the US maybe because it really stood to gain from a war, Europe because it thought it was beneath itself to ser…

Mearsheimer was predicting Putin wouldn't do a full scale invasion of Ukraine right up until shortly after he already did , so strange choice of Cassandra to pick.

Re: Italy, Belgium set to lose gas supply after biggest LNG plant bombed

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Post by toyg »

throw310822 wrote: post #10
wiseowise wrote: post #2

Hope this will be a wake up call for the countries to double down on green/nuclear energy instead of sucking Russian/Middle Eastern tit.

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> for Europe to stop allowing the US and Israel to do what they want

Yes.

> starting from the US arrogance that led to the war in Ukraine

No.

> We should go back buying gas from Russia

Hell no.

Re: Italy, Belgium set to lose gas supply after biggest LNG plant bombed

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Post by wiseowise »

throw310822 wrote: post #19
woodruffw wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> starting from the US arrogance that led to the war in Ukraine What arrogance would this be?

The arrogance of ignoring repeated Russian requests to stop NATO expansion and Ukraine integration into NATO, and of not stopping (well documented) US political meddling in Ukraine. This went on for many years- Mearsheimer was able to predict the war ten years in advance. The US and Europe ignored all this- the US maybe because it really stood to gain from a war, Europe because it thought it was beneath itself to ser…

NATO is a defensive pact, it can't expand. Countries can and want to join it willingly.

> and of not stopping (well documented) US political meddling in Ukraine

Assuming that's true, and it's a big if, let's turn this around: Russia has been messing with Ukraine politics since the collapse of the USSR. Why shouldn't US be allowed to?

> Europe because it thought it was beneath itself to seriously engage with Russia.

Beneath itself like, checks notes, making its industry completely dependent on Russian energy exports and pretty much not doing anything when Russia attacked Georgia, occupied Crimea and attacked east of Ukraine. If Europe had a backbone and considered Russia *beneath* them, it would completely kill any trade with it.

Re: Italy, Belgium set to lose gas supply after biggest LNG plant bombed

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Post by throw310822 »

woodruffw wrote: post #24
throw310822 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The arrogance of ignoring repeated Russian requests to stop NATO expansion and Ukraine integration into NATO, and of not stopping (well documented) US political meddling in Ukraine. This went on for many years- Mearsheimer was able to predict the war ten years in advance. The US and Europe ignored all this- the US maybe because it really stood to gain from a war, Europe because it thought it was beneath itself to ser…

On its face, this suggests that only Russia and the US have any autonomy vis a vis who gets to be in NATO. What about what Ukraine wants?

NATO is a military alliance, the only ones who get a say about who is in it and who isn't are its current members. That said, of course choices have consequences, and some choices are more advisable/ appropriate than others.
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