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Daily Driving GrapheneOS

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Re: Daily Driving GrapheneOS

#21

I wish i could switch but bank apps and contactless payments keep me on stock pixel.

Is this a European thing? Why not use a credit card?

I think it's healthy for a population to not have as part of day-to-day life to pay with credit, effectively paying with money you might not actually have, going into debt. How many US citizens are crippled by credit card debt, and the interest on it?

Re: Daily Driving GrapheneOS

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post #20

I admire the de-Googled approach of GrapheneOS. As a lawyer, privacy concerns resonate with me too. I love the rebellious attitude of tech that presents an alternative choice in an overly duopolistic market. That said, I wouldn't last 8.4 months like the author. Even though he admits to some Google app usage, I'm in too deep — I'd never be able to get out. But if I get the chance, I'd like to try it on a secondary ph…

you can use mostly google appsand still benefit (e.g. unlike google android, play services aren't privileged and are sandboxed like any other app) https://grapheneos.org/features#sandboxed-google-play

also you can restrict some apps network permissions, for example i use the google camera app with the network disabled :p

Re: Daily Driving GrapheneOS

#23

TBH What I wanted from the world is AOSP distribution. Built similarly to GrapheneOS in terms of distribution, ease of install. But I just don't feel I need all these privacy enhancements and stuff, I'm perfectly fine with ordinary system compiled from Google sources with proper update schedule. Also I don't want to see anything installed out of the box, except maybe single app to install AOSP apps, F-Droid, Play Sto…

tbh it sounds like you do want grapheneos :p

it's very minimal ootb and has a better update schedule than 95% of oems (alas)

you can install google play store & services from the app store, and pretty much everything will just work as you might imagine

Re: Daily Driving GrapheneOS

#24

I wish i could switch but bank apps and contactless payments keep me on stock pixel.

so use a card? there is always something. breaking free is never going to be without ANY inconveniences, it's how they build their moat after all. okay so once those two work, one goes to the next thing on the list; "I wish I could switch but I can't use gboard on it and the swiping is 0.5% better than the stock keyboard so it's unusable to me"

(you can use gboard, that was just an example - but it's always these small inconveniences, just like in the chrome vs firefox threads)

Re: Daily Driving GrapheneOS

#25
post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this a European thing? Why not use a credit card?

I think it's healthy for a population to not have as part of day-to-day life to pay with credit, effectively paying with money you might not actually have, going into debt. How many US citizens are crippled by credit card debt, and the interest on it?

You can pay with credit card as a convenience + fraud protection mechanism without ever paying interest by just paying your bill off every month.

When chip and pin was first rolled out, Europeans were shocked by the low security of swipe cards in the US. The reason that wasn’t an issue for Americans was (and still is) that credit cards have excellent fraud protections.

If someone steals my credit card, it is the bank’s problem, not mine.

The risk of paying by debit card on a regular basis is unfathomable to me, even with fancy tech to try to make it secure.

Re: Daily Driving GrapheneOS

#26
post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this a European thing? Why not use a credit card?

I think it's healthy for a population to not have as part of day-to-day life to pay with credit, effectively paying with money you might not actually have, going into debt. How many US citizens are crippled by credit card debt, and the interest on it?

You also get contactless payment on debit cards.

Re: Daily Driving GrapheneOS

#27

good writeup. I've been meaning to set this up for myself too. I keep uninstalling apps from my phone every other day because if I use something very little, I am afraid the app is collecting data from my usage in some way or the other. I have a fairly new ish Pixel phone, do you think I'll be able to go back if I don't like it?

Both install and reversion to stock OS are incredibly easy. Just back up first.

Re: Daily Driving GrapheneOS

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this a European thing? Why not use a credit card?

I think it's healthy for a population to not have as part of day-to-day life to pay with credit, effectively paying with money you might not actually have, going into debt. How many US citizens are crippled by credit card debt, and the interest on it?

It's not about credit/debit, it's about phone/card. Americans tend to use "credit card" as a generic term for payment cards.

And yes, phone NFC payment is one of those technically unnecessary conveniences that's really easy to get used to. You probably already have your phone out or at least accessible in like one second, paying with it instead of pulling out your wallet and finding a card or even cash is just sooo nice. I hate that I've gotten this used to it.

That being said, you can still get NFC payment on a rooted or reflashed phone. Instead of Google Wallet, find a bank or card provider that has their own app. I use the Curve "proxy card" and it works fine.

Re: Daily Driving GrapheneOS

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post #20

I admire the de-Googled approach of GrapheneOS. As a lawyer, privacy concerns resonate with me too. I love the rebellious attitude of tech that presents an alternative choice in an overly duopolistic market. That said, I wouldn't last 8.4 months like the author. Even though he admits to some Google app usage, I'm in too deep — I'd never be able to get out. But if I get the chance, I'd like to try it on a secondary ph…

Not wanting to discourage you from trying Graphene, but the icons are probably not a good reason. Can always install an alternative launcher and icon pack on stock android.

Running Graphene for a long time now, everything works perfectly fine, but I don't do mobile banking.

Re: Daily Driving GrapheneOS

#30
While this is good news, the cynical in me is waiting for Motorola GrapheneOS, with the changes that make it actually relevant for normies, and then the whole idea goes the way of netbooks.
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