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Re: Whistleblower drops 'largest ever' ICE leak to unmask agents

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Post by 0xy » Sat, Jan 17, 2026, 7:42 PM UTC

reanimus wrote: post #17

0xy wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Look up Brosseau v. Haugen case law. There's extensive precedent for self defense for federal agents when people drive their car recklessly near them. Note that in Brosseau v. Haugen, the court ruled explicitly that even a car driving AWAY from an agent can be considered an imminent deadly threat, and that firing multiple times can be justified. In fact, that case was even murkier because the target was shot in the b…

The ruling itself even says that every case has to be taken in context, and that particular one was a known felon who has been accused of a crime fleeing in a vehicle. As a matter of fact, if you look at the decision [1] you won't find the word "defense" once, only "fleeing". 1: https://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/03-1261.ZPC.html

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Re: Whistleblower drops 'largest ever' ICE leak to unmask agents

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Post by subscribed » Sat, Jan 17, 2026, 7:47 PM UTC

0xy wrote: post #10

captainvaqina wrote: post #5

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If the fascists aren't following laws, why should anyone else?

Look up Brosseau v. Haugen case law. There's extensive precedent for self defense for federal agents when people drive their car recklessly near them. Note that in Brosseau v. Haugen, the court ruled explicitly that even a car driving AWAY from an agent can be considered an imminent deadly threat, and that firing multiple times can be justified. In fact, that case was even murkier because the target was shot in the b…

Interesting way to pronounce "intentionally shot twice in the head through the side window" as "through the windscreen into the chest". Or maybe you just randomly forgot.

Jonathan Ross, who killed an unarmed observer trying to drive away from him, has allegedly completed advanced firearms training and maintained expert marksman qualifications according to DHS Assistant Secretary McLaughlin.

He shot to kill.

And then him and his pals barred a doctor from trying to help the victim.

There's so many videos from all angles it's really undisputable ("alternative facts" narrative non-withstanding).

Re: Whistleblower drops 'largest ever' ICE leak to unmask agents

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Post by backscratches » Sat, Jan 17, 2026, 7:53 PM UTC

0xy wrote: post #21

reanimus wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The ruling itself even says that every case has to be taken in context, and that particular one was a known felon who has been accused of a crime fleeing in a vehicle. As a matter of fact, if you look at the decision [1] you won't find the word "defense" once, only "fleeing". 1: https://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/03-1261.ZPC.html

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Show us where it is written that any felony deserves instant death without a jury. You are not making a point.

Re: Whistleblower drops 'largest ever' ICE leak to unmask agents

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Post by treetalker » Sat, Jan 17, 2026, 8:06 PM UTC

0xy wrote: post #21

reanimus wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The ruling itself even says that every case has to be taken in context, and that particular one was a known felon who has been accused of a crime fleeing in a vehicle. As a matter of fact, if you look at the decision [1] you won't find the word "defense" once, only "fleeing". 1: https://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/03-1261.ZPC.html

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Last I checked, no one is a felon until so adjudicated by a court of competent jurisdiction.

Parent comment appears to have in mind either reasonable suspicion or probable cause to believe a felony was committed. So not identical at all — nor clear.

Also questionable whether any commands were lawful.

Re: Whistleblower drops 'largest ever' ICE leak to unmask agents

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Post by goatlover » Sat, Jan 17, 2026, 8:38 PM UTC

Simulacra wrote: post #2

Where is the line between whistleblower and doxxing?

No other LE agency needs masks and refuses to show badges and warrants when asked. So fuck ice and their privacy concerns. They deserved to be doxxed.

Re: Whistleblower drops 'largest ever' ICE leak to unmask agents

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Post by goatlover » Sat, Jan 17, 2026, 8:43 PM UTC

0xy wrote: post #10

captainvaqina wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the fascists aren't following laws, why should anyone else?

Look up Brosseau v. Haugen case law. There's extensive precedent for self defense for federal agents when people drive their car recklessly near them. Note that in Brosseau v. Haugen, the court ruled explicitly that even a car driving AWAY from an agent can be considered an imminent deadly threat, and that firing multiple times can be justified. In fact, that case was even murkier because the target was shot in the b…

Terrible ruling then and polls show majority of Americans agree shooting Renee Good was not justifiable, nor are the current ICE tactics of dragging people fron their cars, breaking down their doors. And throwing pepper spray under the cars of families trying to leave.

Re: Whistleblower drops 'largest ever' ICE leak to unmask agents

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Post by goatlover » Sat, Jan 17, 2026, 8:45 PM UTC

0xy wrote: post #21

reanimus wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The ruling itself even says that every case has to be taken in context, and that particular one was a known felon who has been accused of a crime fleeing in a vehicle. As a matter of fact, if you look at the decision [1] you won't find the word "defense" once, only "fleeing". 1: https://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/03-1261.ZPC.html

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No it's not. See the most recent NY Times article where they analyze the shooting from every available angle, and it's clear Agent Ross was not in danger, and was not hit by Good's vehicle. His phone he was recording with hit the front of the car as he was preparing to fire his weapon.

Re: Whistleblower drops 'largest ever' ICE leak to unmask agents

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Post by jjav » Sun, Jan 18, 2026, 9:32 AM UTC

Simulacra wrote: post #2

Where is the line between whistleblower and doxxing?

Very simple: when the government is acting illegally (violating the constitution, laws, and court orders), anything you can do to expose them is whistleblowing.

doxxing OTOH is when you try to get an innocent person to be attacked by law enforcement on some fabricated reason.

Re: Whistleblower drops 'largest ever' ICE leak to unmask agents

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Post by mktk1001 » Sun, Jan 18, 2026, 10:57 AM UTC

Simulacra wrote: post #2

Where is the line between whistleblower and doxxing?

You can find all the professors employed by a public university and their salary. How is ice any different when it comes to accountability for public funds?

Re: Whistleblower drops 'largest ever' ICE leak to unmask agents

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Post by 0xy » Sun, Jan 18, 2026, 6:05 PM UTC

subscribed wrote: post #22

0xy wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Look up Brosseau v. Haugen case law. There's extensive precedent for self defense for federal agents when people drive their car recklessly near them. Note that in Brosseau v. Haugen, the court ruled explicitly that even a car driving AWAY from an agent can be considered an imminent deadly threat, and that firing multiple times can be justified. In fact, that case was even murkier because the target was shot in the b…

Interesting way to pronounce "intentionally shot twice in the head through the side window" as "through the windscreen into the chest". Or maybe you just randomly forgot. Jonathan Ross, who killed an unarmed observer trying to drive away from him, has allegedly completed advanced firearms training and maintained expert marksman qualifications according to DHS Assistant Secretary McLaughlin. He shot to kill. And then…

Are you claiming he did not shoot her in the chest through the windscreen? Patently ridiculous claim, there's clear evidence showing that this was the case. Unambiguously, the first shot was fired through the windscreen. Later, in a medical release, we learned that 3 bullets hit her. Meaning, the first shot through the windscreen hit her in the chest. Pretty blatantly obvious.

>him and his pals barred a doctor from trying to help the victim

Do you think police should allow a random guy claiming to be a doctor into an active crime scene to tamper with evidence? Or wait for an actual paramedic to show up? Not that it means absolutely anything at all, because given she was shot three times, twice in the chest, she was absolutely dead and there was no saving her, especially not by a random physician.

>There's so many videos from all angles it's really undisputable

You'll dispute the fact she hit him, though. Despite the evidence.

https://www.cbsnews.com/minnesota/news/experts-analyze-new-v...

"Johnson said his biggest takeaway from the video was a crunching sound he heard immediately before the gunshots, which he believes is the sound of the SUV hitting the ICE agent."

"That data point for me shows that there was contact made with the agent, who is now in reasonable fear, who could clearly articulate being hit with an SUV as reasonable fear of great bodily harm or death. And then the shots were fired," said Johnson.