Where is the line between whistleblower and doxxing?
I believe the line lies somewhere around masked men harming innocent civilians
Whistleblower drops 'largest ever' ICE leak to unmask agents
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#12Earlier quoted context omitted.
When the subject of such is using their power and position to hurt people vs when it's a private citizen minding their own business. Don't apologize for actual, literal Nazis murdering civilians in broad daylight.
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I can't wait until the comply logic turns around on you. I'm actually drooling for what the next administration will be able to do. We need a new mcarthy.
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#13Where is the line between whistleblower and doxxing?
It's whistleblowing if I agree, doxing if I disagree, of course.
Re: Whistleblower drops 'largest ever' ICE leak to unmask agents
#14Where is the line between whistleblower and doxxing?
Pretty simple. These are federal government employees and county sherrifs. People in public positions. It's whistleblowing. This isn't any information about the people except in the context of their public employement status. Very clear cut.
If it was their home phone numbers and addresses it might be slightly less clear. But it isn't. Take a look yourself before asking an obvious question next time.
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#15Does this mean we can find out how many Jan. 6 proud boys are employed by ICE?
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#16Where is the line between whistleblower and doxxing?
When the subject of such is using their power and position to hurt people vs when it's a private citizen minding their own business. Don't apologize for actual, literal Nazis murdering civilians in broad daylight.
I am not a supporter of the broad powers given to Federal agents, and it seems likely to me that ICE is overstepping (what I see as) the absurd scope they've been granted by the legislature and judiciary. That said, they don't seem to be "actual, literal Nazis", and I have not seen them "murdering civilians in broad daylight", though ICE do seem to be using the very broad definition of personal protection which has become commonplace (for most police forces).
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#17Earlier quoted context omitted.
If the fascists aren't following laws, why should anyone else?
Look up Brosseau v. Haugen case law. There's extensive precedent for self defense for federal agents when people drive their car recklessly near them. Note that in Brosseau v. Haugen, the court ruled explicitly that even a car driving AWAY from an agent can be considered an imminent deadly threat, and that firing multiple times can be justified. In fact, that case was even murkier because the target was shot in the b…
The ruling itself even says that every case has to be taken in context, and that particular one was a known felon who has been accused of a crime fleeing in a vehicle. As a matter of fact, if you look at the decision [1] you won't find the word "defense" once, only "fleeing".
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#18Earlier quoted context omitted.
When the subject of such is using their power and position to hurt people vs when it's a private citizen minding their own business. Don't apologize for actual, literal Nazis murdering civilians in broad daylight.
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You seem to want a world in which gangs of untrained, unvetted thugs wearing facemasks and no identification can exit unmarked vehicles with guns drawn and demand that you do certain things or answer their questions on pain of being shot in the face. All while opaquely protected by the state.
I hope you get that world. I hope no innocent person has to live it with you.
You're exactly the reason free societies can successfully go down the path to dystopian authoritarianism. I hate you.
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#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
When the subject of such is using their power and position to hurt people vs when it's a private citizen minding their own business. Don't apologize for actual, literal Nazis murdering civilians in broad daylight.
I am not a supporter of the broad powers given to Federal agents, and it seems likely to me that ICE is overstepping (what I see as) the absurd scope they've been granted by the legislature and judiciary. That said, they don't seem to be "actual, literal Nazis", and I have not seen them "murdering civilians in broad daylight", though ICE do seem to be using the very broad definition of personal protection which has b…
That said, they don't seem to be "actual, literal Nazis"
Agreed. The actual, literal Nazis showed their faces. These are just plain hired thugs.
For those who insist on Nazi analogies, ICE is SA, not the Gestapo. Another apt comparison might be to Sinclair Lewis's 'Minute Men' (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It_Can%27t_Happen_Here).