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Re: When Tesla's FSD works well, it gets credit. When it doesn't, you get blamed

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Kind of similar to Agentic coding. The code works? Yay, well done, AI. It't doesn't? You didn't prompt it correctly.

This scam is true for all AI technologies. It only "works" as far as we interpret it as working. LLMs generate text. If it answers our question, we say that the LLM works. If it doesn't, we say that it is "hallucinating".

Re: When Tesla's FSD works well, it gets credit. When it doesn't, you get blamed

#23
post #8

isn't that the entire "AI" experience, in a nutshell?

No. There's a critical difference between AI as a tool and AI as a product. When you use a tool, the responsibility to verify the output is yours. But when you pay for a product like Tesla's Full Self-Driving, the company assumes liability for its performance. If FSD causes harm, Tesla must be held responsible.

Re: When Tesla's FSD works well, it gets credit. When it doesn't, you get blamed

#26
Sounds like a problem with all of AI.

Having driven Tesla FSD and coded with Claude/Codex, it suffers from the exact same issues- Stellar performance in most common contexts, but bizarrely nonsensical behavior sometimes when not.

Which is why I call it "thunking" (clunky thinking) instead of "thinking". And also why it STILL needs constant monitoring by an expert.

Re: When Tesla's FSD works well, it gets credit. When it doesn't, you get blamed

#27
post #7

Kind of similar to Agentic coding. The code works? Yay, well done, AI. It't doesn't? You didn't prompt it correctly.

Apple did it successfully, it's a marvelous ecosystem, but when there's an issue, it's because you're not holding it the correct way.

Re: When Tesla's FSD works well, it gets credit. When it doesn't, you get blamed

#28
I mean, obviously. A significant part entire economy runs on plausible deniability. Amazon is a great example of this, by keeping similar products or different vendors in the same bin. Regulations are to keep out competitors, etc.

Re: When Tesla's FSD works well, it gets credit. When it doesn't, you get blamed

#29
post #10

As time goes on, Tesla's fiasco becomes more and more embarrassing. Waymos are all over the place in the cities they serve, doing pretty much what they're supposed to do. Nuro has some fully autonomous vehicles running around. Baidu's Apollo Go is deployed in 16 cities in China, although they use remote driving as a backup. Tesla, though, is still hyping a technology that seems to have maxed out years ago.

Not sure if it’s evident in broader statistics yet, but I think that because Tesla got the early adopter market (tech savvy people), they are now losing that same market first. I had a party at my house a couple months ago, mostly SF tech people. I found the Tesla owners chatting together, and the topic was how much FSD sucks and they don’t trust it. I asked and no-one said they would buy a Tesla again. Distrust beca…

The fact that Elon has blown the San Franistan EV market should surprise absolutely no one.

Re: When Tesla's FSD works well, it gets credit. When it doesn't, you get blamed

#30
post #7

Kind of similar to Agentic coding. The code works? Yay, well done, AI. It't doesn't? You didn't prompt it correctly.

This scam is true for all AI technologies. It only "works" as far as we interpret it as working. LLMs generate text. If it answers our question, we say that the LLM works. If it doesn't, we say that it is "hallucinating".

How is that any different from Googling something and believing any of the highly-SEO optimized results that pollute the front page?
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