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When Tesla's FSD works well, it gets credit. When it doesn't, you get blamed

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Re: When Tesla's FSD works well, it gets credit. When it doesn't, you get blamed

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One reason I wouldn't trust Tesla's FSD: Sun glare: https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaFSD/comments/1huzgtu/tesla_fsd... Drivers have tackled this problem by wearing polaroid sunglasses. I really hope someone asks Tesla how they plan to solve the Sun glare issue.

According to users, that issue appears to be solved as of FSD v13. The solution may be reliant on the higher quality camera modules shipped with hardware 4.

Re: When Tesla's FSD works well, it gets credit. When it doesn't, you get blamed

#12

List of predictions for autonomous Tesla vehicles by Elon Musk: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_predictions_for_autono...

I can't believe they are giving credit for "robotaxi" launching with human drivers. Yellow Cab had those in the '50s.

Re: When Tesla's FSD works well, it gets credit. When it doesn't, you get blamed

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As time goes on, Tesla's fiasco becomes more and more embarrassing. Waymos are all over the place in the cities they serve, doing pretty much what they're supposed to do. Nuro has some fully autonomous vehicles running around. Baidu's Apollo Go is deployed in 16 cities in China, although they use remote driving as a backup. Tesla, though, is still hyping a technology that seems to have maxed out years ago.

And yet it drives me on 2000 mile car trips without touching anything. If you ignore the hype and look at the actual product, it’s fine.

Re: When Tesla's FSD works well, it gets credit. When it doesn't, you get blamed

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post #10

As time goes on, Tesla's fiasco becomes more and more embarrassing. Waymos are all over the place in the cities they serve, doing pretty much what they're supposed to do. Nuro has some fully autonomous vehicles running around. Baidu's Apollo Go is deployed in 16 cities in China, although they use remote driving as a backup. Tesla, though, is still hyping a technology that seems to have maxed out years ago.

And yet it drives me on 2000 mile car trips without touching anything. If you ignore the hype and look at the actual product, it’s fine.

Ancedotes are nice. Miles per disengagement stats would be better.

Re: When Tesla's FSD works well, it gets credit. When it doesn't, you get blamed

#15

I’m still perplexed by the utter lack of regulatory action in both the U.S. and Canada with FSD. Its inconsistency and Tesla’s “seat of the pants” approach to safety have gotten enough people injured to where I’d have expected someone to take notice by now. Don’t get me wrong, when it works, it’s amazing but there’s no way to reliably establish that it works on the same route twice.

This is a fairly weak shower thought, but it was interesting to note (anecdotally) people's propensity to rigidly prioritize safety in some, but not all circumstances.

For example, I've had numerous conversations where people will point to safety rating in vehicles to defend their purchasing decisions. Its simple to understand really, I want the safest car for my family/child etc, that is why I refuse to buy an older, used vehicle or prefer a sedan over SUV. Safety becomes cover for preference and defending trends like expanding pickup truck sizes since the 2000s while there is no safety rating or even objective measure of the efficacy of these self-driving systems.

Hopefully I haven't wasted your time, its just a psychological trend that I think exists.

Re: When Tesla's FSD works well, it gets credit. When it doesn't, you get blamed

#16
post #7

Kind of similar to Agentic coding. The code works? Yay, well done, AI. It't doesn't? You didn't prompt it correctly.

Saved 20 minutes of your time? Slack goes wild.

Wasted 1 hour each of your 5 co-workers who ended up reviewing unusable slop? Silence.

Re: When Tesla's FSD works well, it gets credit. When it doesn't, you get blamed

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post #10

As time goes on, Tesla's fiasco becomes more and more embarrassing. Waymos are all over the place in the cities they serve, doing pretty much what they're supposed to do. Nuro has some fully autonomous vehicles running around. Baidu's Apollo Go is deployed in 16 cities in China, although they use remote driving as a backup. Tesla, though, is still hyping a technology that seems to have maxed out years ago.

Not sure if it’s evident in broader statistics yet, but I think that because Tesla got the early adopter market (tech savvy people), they are now losing that same market first.

I had a party at my house a couple months ago, mostly SF tech people. I found the Tesla owners chatting together, and the topic was how much FSD sucks and they don’t trust it.

I asked and no-one said they would buy a Tesla again. Distrust because they felt suckered by FSD was a reason, but several also just said Elon’s behavior was a big negative.

Re: When Tesla's FSD works well, it gets credit. When it doesn't, you get blamed

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post #10

As time goes on, Tesla's fiasco becomes more and more embarrassing. Waymos are all over the place in the cities they serve, doing pretty much what they're supposed to do. Nuro has some fully autonomous vehicles running around. Baidu's Apollo Go is deployed in 16 cities in China, although they use remote driving as a backup. Tesla, though, is still hyping a technology that seems to have maxed out years ago.

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Re: When Tesla's FSD works well, it gets credit. When it doesn't, you get blamed

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post #10

As time goes on, Tesla's fiasco becomes more and more embarrassing. Waymos are all over the place in the cities they serve, doing pretty much what they're supposed to do. Nuro has some fully autonomous vehicles running around. Baidu's Apollo Go is deployed in 16 cities in China, although they use remote driving as a backup. Tesla, though, is still hyping a technology that seems to have maxed out years ago.

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> In your quest to be critical of anything Tesla does

That's a pretty hefty extrapolation to make from a single truthful statement about "full" self drive.

Re: When Tesla's FSD works well, it gets credit. When it doesn't, you get blamed

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post #7

Kind of similar to Agentic coding. The code works? Yay, well done, AI. It't doesn't? You didn't prompt it correctly.

I hear you, but GenAI also gets the opposite fork from people who hate it: It's good result that used GenAI at any point => your prompting and curation and editing is worthless and deserves no credit; it's not good result => that proves AI isn't real intelligence.

As with Marmite, I find it very strange to be surrounded by a very big loud cultural divide where I am firmly in the middle.

Unlike Marmite, I wonder if I'm only in "the middle" because of the extremities on both ends…

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