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Re: Gem.coop

#21

Post by IshKebab »

jmcgough wrote: post #16
IshKebab wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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NYC has roughly the same stats - 40% of the residents there are foreign-born. This is more to do with low birth rates by natives, so population growth in NYC and London is entirely driven by immigration. The biggest problem is that it's too expensive for most people to have and raise kids in major cities. What was more troubling to me was that he called the Tommy Robinson rallies "heartwarming". TR was a member of an…

> he has written some other really vile things about transgender people.

Do you have a link? I suspect these "really vile things" will turn out to be not so vile (like JKR), just things you don't agree with.

> I'd like to leave my identity home and discuss software engineering and interesting technical ideas. DHH has made that impossible.

Really? Did he talk about politics at this Ruby conference? Seems like it is you that can't focus on Ruby.

Re: Gem.coop

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Post by byroot »

phplovesong wrote: post #20
splittydev wrote: post #19

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Afaik rubygems kicked some long term contributors and stole the entire project. Thats some serious red flags for me. At what point rubyruby gems does something nasty is only a matter of time. They could start to gatekeep or even worse add some sort of paid version. Anyway.. a core piece of infra like this needs to be open for anyone and not closed for some shady entrerprize.

That's a particularly one sided account of the events.

Ruby Central wanted to oust one or two specific maintainers because of a rocky relationship (whether it was warranted or not is not my point).

It later backfired when a majority of the other maintainers resigned.

> They could start to gatekeep or even worse add some sort of paid version.

That's a funny accusation given that's something the ousted maintainers now behind gem.coop wanted to do a while ago.

Re: Gem.coop

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Post by phoronixrly »

IshKebab wrote: post #21
jmcgough wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

NYC has roughly the same stats - 40% of the residents there are foreign-born. This is more to do with low birth rates by natives, so population growth in NYC and London is entirely driven by immigration. The biggest problem is that it's too expensive for most people to have and raise kids in major cities. What was more troubling to me was that he called the Tommy Robinson rallies "heartwarming". TR was a member of an…

> he has written some other really vile things about transgender people. Do you have a link? I suspect these "really vile things" will turn out to be not so vile (like JKR), just things you don't agree with. > I'd like to leave my identity home and discuss software engineering and interesting technical ideas. DHH has made that impossible. Really? Did he talk about politics at this Ruby conference? Seems like it is yo…

https://tomstu.art/the-dhh-problem

Re: Gem.coop

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Post by sad-pack »

jmcgough wrote: post #16
IshKebab wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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NYC has roughly the same stats - 40% of the residents there are foreign-born. This is more to do with low birth rates by natives, so population growth in NYC and London is entirely driven by immigration. The biggest problem is that it's too expensive for most people to have and raise kids in major cities. What was more troubling to me was that he called the Tommy Robinson rallies "heartwarming". TR was a member of an…

"I care about Ruby and want it to die…”

“I try to discourage them because I don’t want more Ruby code in the world…”

I wouldn't bother replying to that account, it's not arguing in good faith. Ishkebab has stated many times its goal is to kill ruby and its community.

It's commenting here to stir things up.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43331847

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43331847

Re: Gem.coop

#25

Post by steve_gh »

I'm really pleased to see this happening, but sad that it has come to this.

What I'd really like to see is a whole bunch of people acting more professionally. Who you pray to, who you vote for, and who you sleep with are irrelevant to a professional context - and open source development is a professional context. So everyone needs to keep their professional and personal lives separate. I know that at best I would be disciplined, and at worst sacked if I made comments on the lines that some of the lead players in this sorry saga have made. And that's not pointing the finger at any one person.

Re: Gem.coop

#26

Post by hiimkeks »

steve_gh wrote: post #25

I'm really pleased to see this happening, but sad that it has come to this. What I'd really like to see is a whole bunch of people acting more professionally. Who you pray to, who you vote for, and who you sleep with are irrelevant to a professional context - and open source development is a professional context. So everyone needs to keep their professional and personal lives separate. I know that at best I would be…

If who you vote for will put me into a torture camp (or otherwise devalues my life or personhood), then I can't work with you, so no it is not irrelevant.

(neither the "me" nor the "you" here refer to you or me personally ofc.)

Re: Gem.coop

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Post by burnt-resistor »

phoronixrly wrote: post #4

I hope they tackle the actual main issue with Rubygems -- lack of any sort of code signing... (I know the functionality exists, but it's not required to publish in Rubygems, and off by default on gem install. In other words it's as if it doesn't exist) The fash problem in the Rails ecosystem is next on the list, and I hope there is community consensus to fork this as well.

It has code signing. It's just optional, inconvenient, and so unused because of Tragedy of the Commons and complacency. https://guides.rubygems.org/security/

https://www.benjaminfleischer.com/2013/11/08/how-to-sign-you...

Re: Gem.coop

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Post by wahnfrieden »

steve_gh wrote: post #25

I'm really pleased to see this happening, but sad that it has come to this. What I'd really like to see is a whole bunch of people acting more professionally. Who you pray to, who you vote for, and who you sleep with are irrelevant to a professional context - and open source development is a professional context. So everyone needs to keep their professional and personal lives separate. I know that at best I would be…

Not everyone involved in open source has a boss. I don't care what a boss would hypothetically do to me, so that's not helpful guidance.

Re: Gem.coop

#29

Post by phoronixrly »

mnx wrote: post #8
wallmountedtv wrote: post #6

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In short, a hostile takeover forced by Shopify through Ruby Central. It was sparked after Ruby Central chose to platform an extremist figure prominently for their last RailsConf against the wishes of the sponsors, losing them a lot of sponsorship money, as well as community support. https://joel.drapper.me/p/rubygems-takeover/

Might be worth noting the figure in question is the creator of Ruby on Rails.

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Re: Gem.coop

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Post by wahnfrieden »

mnx wrote: post #8
wallmountedtv wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In short, a hostile takeover forced by Shopify through Ruby Central. It was sparked after Ruby Central chose to platform an extremist figure prominently for their last RailsConf against the wishes of the sponsors, losing them a lot of sponsorship money, as well as community support. https://joel.drapper.me/p/rubygems-takeover/

Might be worth noting the figure in question is the creator of Ruby on Rails.

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