I complain about this at the other end of the cash flow cycle all the time: having to pay to pay. When a service, often my local municipality, charges a fee to pay a fee. VISA is arguably the biggest mafia organization in the world... 3% of all retain sales worldwide? Why? With the proliferation of 3rd party "payment processors", and the accompanying crimes commited, The Fed has instituted a central bank hosted insta…
'So immoral': gig economy workers forced to pay fee to receive their wages
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#22I complain about this at the other end of the cash flow cycle all the time: having to pay to pay. When a service, often my local municipality, charges a fee to pay a fee. VISA is arguably the biggest mafia organization in the world... 3% of all retain sales worldwide? Why? With the proliferation of 3rd party "payment processors", and the accompanying crimes commited, The Fed has instituted a central bank hosted insta…
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#23> We’re deeply concerned that companies will try to get around the law and continue to exploit vulnerable workers by pretending they are self-employed when they should enjoy the full protection of the law. This is really the crux of the issue: why do we pretend that gig workers don't deserve the same benefits and protections that proper employees do? Even referring to it as a "gig" makes it sound more like a hobby th…
I can't help but feel the problem is that someone becomes "full time" in the US after exactly 40 hours. I feel like some kind of gradient system would be ideal. Like if you work 10 hours a week you get 25% of the cash value of benefits. That way, a company wouldn't be incentivized to keep them right below the limit.
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#24So it’s wage theft then? Gotta love the “disruptive” tech industry. Such innovation.
Why are YC’s leadership and other VCs so vocal on shoplifting crime but never raise their voice against rampant wage theft in our industry? The criminality by dollar value is far worse with the latter
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#25> We’re deeply concerned that companies will try to get around the law and continue to exploit vulnerable workers by pretending they are self-employed when they should enjoy the full protection of the law. This is really the crux of the issue: why do we pretend that gig workers don't deserve the same benefits and protections that proper employees do? Even referring to it as a "gig" makes it sound more like a hobby th…
I can't help but feel the problem is that someone becomes "full time" in the US after exactly 40 hours. I feel like some kind of gradient system would be ideal. Like if you work 10 hours a week you get 25% of the cash value of benefits. That way, a company wouldn't be incentivized to keep them right below the limit.
catastrophic insurance can be paid by the state.
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#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why are YC’s leadership and other VCs so vocal on shoplifting crime but never raise their voice against rampant wage theft in our industry? The criminality by dollar value is far worse with the latter
Because they're the ones benefiting from the wage theft, and complaining about low-level crime helps elect politicians that are more likely to overlook that wage theft.
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#27> We’re deeply concerned that companies will try to get around the law and continue to exploit vulnerable workers by pretending they are self-employed when they should enjoy the full protection of the law. This is really the crux of the issue: why do we pretend that gig workers don't deserve the same benefits and protections that proper employees do? Even referring to it as a "gig" makes it sound more like a hobby th…
> why do we pretend that gig workers don't deserve the same benefits and protections that proper employees do? Because some—in some cases, many—of them don’t. And in many cases, e.g. healthcare, it’s unclear why we’re still bundling something into employment that properly should be separate. Extending employment protection to gig workers is a simple solution. But it probably leaves many of them worse off than they ar…
This, one million times over.
I read an account describing how things came to be as they are.
Apparently, it all started during WW2.
The Government controlled wages, and so some wages were too high and some too low, and for those set too low, it became difficult to get staff.
To make employment more remunerative, employers began to add benefits on the side - such as health insurance - and these were not taxed, either.
The Government eventually noticed this was happening, and moved to tax such benefits, and discontent with this was so widespread the Government backed off.
So then we end up with health insurance as a non-taxable benefit tacked on to employment.
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#28This is kind of a weird framing. 30 days is longer period than probably acceptable, but most people get regular, lagging biweekly paychecks rather than getting their paycheck paid out continuously in infinitesimal chunks.
It's normal for people working temporary jobs (such as factory or cleaning work) to be paid weekly.
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#29How is that a gig at this point? It's a temp agency. Temp agencies cannot do this in the UK right? A cursory low-effort google returns some laws. [0] I'm sure they have legions of lawyers ready to argue their unique and disruptive business model has never been seen on the british isles before but I have trouble seeing this as anything other than a temp agency.
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#30> We’re deeply concerned that companies will try to get around the law and continue to exploit vulnerable workers by pretending they are self-employed when they should enjoy the full protection of the law. This is really the crux of the issue: why do we pretend that gig workers don't deserve the same benefits and protections that proper employees do? Even referring to it as a "gig" makes it sound more like a hobby th…
Jason Snell, the former editor of Macworld went independent after getting laid off from MacWorld. He purposefully put together streams of income consisting of podcasting, writing articles for different magazines - including MacWorld, writing for his own blog and writing technical books.
He said out of those, because of the initial laws passed in California, it made it harder for him to be what in essence was a gig worker when writing for various websites.
The little time I did spend doing C2C contracting, I also had net 30 payment terms.
Yes I realize it’s different for the gig workers in the article. But the last thing we need is laws that affect all “gig workers” whether they make $10/hour or whether they are making $150/hour.
On that note, I did pay a third party company $10/hour for a short term contract that I had with a former CTO. It would have been too much work on both ends to get me approved to work directly for the company so I became a subcontractor for an established company to make every thing easier even though I found the initial contract.