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'So immoral': gig economy workers forced to pay fee to receive their wages

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Re: 'So immoral': gig economy workers forced to pay fee to receive their wages

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Tangential, but I think we're long overdue to fund employee benefits through taxes instead, which employers pay instead of being on the hook for e.g. paid medical/maternity/etc. On average employers would pay as much as now (unless they're abusing loopholes, e.g. gig work), there would be fewer loopholes, and small employers would be 'insured' against potentially ruinous hires - I know a handyman that won't hire an assistant, because of the risk of getting someone that would be on medical leave more than work, leaving the handyman on the hook for all his pay. This makes growing small (<10 people) businesses very difficult.

Re: 'So immoral': gig economy workers forced to pay fee to receive their wages

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Tangential, but I think we're long overdue to fund employee benefits through taxes instead, which employers pay instead of being on the hook for e.g. paid medical/maternity/etc. On average employers would pay as much as now (unless they're abusing loopholes, e.g. gig work), there would be fewer loopholes, and small employers would be 'insured' against potentially ruinous hires - I know a handyman that won't hire an a…

I thought businesses that small weren't on the hook for providing medical benefits under the ACA or for providing medical leave pay under the FMLA?

Re: 'So immoral': gig economy workers forced to pay fee to receive their wages

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Tangential, but I think we're long overdue to fund employee benefits through taxes instead, which employers pay instead of being on the hook for e.g. paid medical/maternity/etc. On average employers would pay as much as now (unless they're abusing loopholes, e.g. gig work), there would be fewer loopholes, and small employers would be 'insured' against potentially ruinous hires - I know a handyman that won't hire an a…

I thought businesses that small weren't on the hook for providing medical benefits under the ACA or for providing medical leave pay under the FMLA?

This was a few years ago in the EU, but I admit I'm not the most knowledgeable on employment law.

Re: 'So immoral': gig economy workers forced to pay fee to receive their wages

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Tangential, but I think we're long overdue to fund employee benefits through taxes instead, which employers pay instead of being on the hook for e.g. paid medical/maternity/etc. On average employers would pay as much as now (unless they're abusing loopholes, e.g. gig work), there would be fewer loopholes, and small employers would be 'insured' against potentially ruinous hires - I know a handyman that won't hire an a…

Taxes may be part of a solution, but don't expect them to solve this problem alone.

In most EU states you pay taxes to provide medical care to employees. If an employee gets sick or otherwise unable to work, you are usually required to continue paying those taxes even if the employee does zero workhours.

The key part to help small businesses is to mitigate their risk of dispropotional cost. Does not matter if it's a tax or any other payable.

Re: 'So immoral': gig economy workers forced to pay fee to receive their wages

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought businesses that small weren't on the hook for providing medical benefits under the ACA or for providing medical leave pay under the FMLA?

This was a few years ago in the EU, but I admit I'm not the most knowledgeable on employment law.

My bad I read taxes as Texas for some reason. I guess that's what just being on a red eye returning through Texas does to you!

Re: 'So immoral': gig economy workers forced to pay fee to receive their wages

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"Gig workers" gets the headline, but this is really just highlighting that contractors of all sorts get shafted with regards to payment timelines.

"Standard 30+ day delay" is pretty common for contractors of all sorts, and is part of the reason contracting rates should be so much higher than standard employment. But it's kinda shitty and usually due to laziness on the corp's part rather than any particular actuarial reason.

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