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If you love Windows XP, you’ll hate Windows 7

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Re: If you love Windows XP, you’ll hate Windows 7

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Post by jredville »

ibsulon wrote: post #10
iofthestorm wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point of this article is that one of the problems with Vista and now Windows 7 is that people were so used to the XP way of doing things, even if the XP way was stupid or unintuitive. If you take some time to learn the new UI it's a lot better. Same with Office 2007, the old Office menu system was horrible unless you knew exactly where everything was, whereas with the Ribbon/Fluent UI most of the time it adapts f…

This is what I don't get. Why should I have to retrain my fingers to justify Microsoft's UI designers' salaries? I don't mind for myself, but I dread having to teach my parents every time, especially when I don't use the operating system myself.

As the article points out, you can set everything to act like XP. It also gives good rationalization for all of the changes discussed.

Re: If you love Windows XP, you’ll hate Windows 7

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Post by jredville »

bayareaguy wrote: post #7
dcurtis wrote: post #2

What? This is totally false. Windows 7 is a great step forward from Vista. They have removed all of the crap that was bloating the OS and pissing off people who like XP. It's the XPificiation of Vista, and they managed to pull it off. They made changes to the UI that I think, after using Beta 1 for a few days, are in the right direction. It's still Windows, of course, and it has some weird quirks, but it's still beta…

How do the resource requirements compare? There isn't anything for Windows 7 in the relevent section of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Microsoft_Windows...

Well, when it was demo'd at PDC, it was on a Netbook, and it was still snappy, and had the eye candy. (http://arstechnica.com/journals/microsoft.ars/2008/10/28/ars...)

Re: If you love Windows XP, you’ll hate Windows 7

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Post by jredville »

dfranke wrote: post #14
dcurtis wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Windows 7 does, amazingly, have the same classic mode. When you switch to it, everything looks exactly like Windows 98.

To hell with 98. They got the UI right with Windows 1.0. It was a tiling window manager, just like the one I'm using now.

http://blogs.msdn.com/e7/archive/2008/11/20/happy-anniversar...

They were inspired by some of the things in Windows 1.0

Re: If you love Windows XP, you’ll hate Windows 7

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Post by Gilson_Silveira »

ynniv wrote: post #15

The simple reality (IMHO of course) is that people have always used Windows because it was "what everyone uses" and "what the office uses" and "what my software runs on". If you see it from this perspective, the people who wanted something different have already left to some flavor of UNIX or Mac, so those remaining are looking after their cognitive investment in having learned XP. When you think about it, its amazin…

I think it is not so simple. It is not enough to have a good OS. In my opinion, what Linux needs from now is: - a stardardization of APIs (drivers, UI, etc...) - stardard technologies (such as C#, C++) - a very good development environment such as Visual Studio - very good documentation - show the world how to earn money using this

The wide audience needs straight ways to do things because most people like to execute, not to decide.

Re: If you love Windows XP, you’ll hate Windows 7

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Post by dcurtis »

mynameishere wrote: post #16
dcurtis wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Windows 7 does, amazingly, have the same classic mode. When you switch to it, everything looks exactly like Windows 98.

Why is it amazing? It's a one-checkbox option to get rid of 10 years of candyland-style aesthetic mistakes. The underlying OS has nothing to do with transparent windows and pastels.

For 99% of users, the OS is the transparent windows and colors and user flow.

No one cares about the "underlying OS" as long as the experience of using it is good.

The reason I think it's amazing is because they have managed to add all of the new effects/colors/transitions in Vista/xp/7 while maintaining compatibility with a UI that is ten years old.

Re: If you love Windows XP, you’ll hate Windows 7

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Post by quoderat »

The final and insuperable issue that drove me from Windows Vista to Linux a year-and-a-half ago was Windows Explorer doing away with the incredibly-useful "up" button in favor of breadcrumbs.

Yes, I understand how breadcrumbs works and I am aware of how to use it. However, what I wish to click on is always changing positions, its length varies, and is sometimes not even there at all.

Without an "up" button, I will never use Windows 7.

(And no, before someone even brings it up, the "up" and back button DO NOT do the same thing. Most of the time, yes -- but not always. Check it yourself on XP.)

Re: If you love Windows XP, you’ll hate Windows 7

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Post by jamesbritt »

quoderat wrote: post #26

The final and insuperable issue that drove me from Windows Vista to Linux a year-and-a-half ago was Windows Explorer doing away with the incredibly-useful "up" button in favor of breadcrumbs. Yes, I understand how breadcrumbs works and I am aware of how to use it. However, what I wish to click on is always changing positions, its length varies, and is sometimes not even there at all. Without an "up" button, I will ne…

"The final and insuperable issue that drove me from Windows Vista to Linux a year-and-a-half ago was Windows Explorer doing away with the incredibly-useful "up" button in favor of breadcrumbs."

They seemed to go out of their way to hide or remove useful info. Free disk space on drive? Not an easy thing to see.

Consistent, full-detailed file listings? No matter what I do, Vista will eventual decide that (this8 folder needs to not show size or last modified info.

And what's with search not showing the actual file location by default?

Re: If you love Windows XP, you’ll hate Windows 7

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Post by mnemonik »

tdavis wrote: post #8

The title should be "if you fear change, you will hate Windows 7". Holy shit, no Run command (which barely anybody uses) and no default Desktop icons (which are just superfluous next to the start menu)?! WHATEVER WILL I DO!??! It's people like this Jason character, who feel all change is either (a) bad or (b) simply for the sake of change, who completely hinder innovation. If he wants Windows to "not change anything"…

I feel like this Jason character is just a straw man the author created. So simplistic and so easily torn down.

Re: If you love Windows XP, you’ll hate Windows 7

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Post by briansmith »

mtw wrote: post #12

i have never used win Vista but I like the description of Windows 7, especially the fact that you launch programs with text commands. it's very quicksliver-like, with minimalistic ui. hope this isn't just a skin over vista, but a real overhaul/decrapifying process by MS

That feature is in Windows Vista already.

Re: If you love Windows XP, you’ll hate Windows 7

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Post by iofthestorm »

mnemonik wrote: post #28
tdavis wrote: post #8

The title should be "if you fear change, you will hate Windows 7". Holy shit, no Run command (which barely anybody uses) and no default Desktop icons (which are just superfluous next to the start menu)?! WHATEVER WILL I DO!??! It's people like this Jason character, who feel all change is either (a) bad or (b) simply for the sake of change, who completely hinder innovation. If he wants Windows to "not change anything"…

I feel like this Jason character is just a straw man the author created. So simplistic and so easily torn down.

Err, if you noticed he linked to the "Jason character's" blog post about Windows 7 and the guy himself was pretty active in the comments on that article (jperlow).
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