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If you love Windows XP, you’ll hate Windows 7

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Re: If you love Windows XP, you’ll hate Windows 7

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i have never used win Vista but I like the description of Windows 7, especially the fact that you launch programs with text commands.

it's very quicksliver-like, with minimalistic ui. hope this isn't just a skin over vista, but a real overhaul/decrapifying process by MS

Re: If you love Windows XP, you’ll hate Windows 7

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i seem to recall there being a setting in windows xp to make your windows and start menu and other things have a "classic" look. isn't there something similar in windows 7 that offers this? it sounds like such a feature would have eliminated a lot of the problems this guy's colleague was complaining about. maybe just ask the user at first boot whether they want the new windows 7 look or an old classic view, setting d…

Windows 7 does, amazingly, have the same classic mode. When you switch to it, everything looks exactly like Windows 98.

To hell with 98. They got the UI right with Windows 1.0. It was a tiling window manager, just like the one I'm using now.

Re: If you love Windows XP, you’ll hate Windows 7

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The simple reality (IMHO of course) is that people have always used Windows because it was "what everyone uses" and "what the office uses" and "what my software runs on". If you see it from this perspective, the people who wanted something different have already left to some flavor of UNIX or Mac, so those remaining are looking after their cognitive investment in having learned XP.

When you think about it, its amazing that Microsoft continues to sell Windows at all. Software is free to copy (should the medium break) and never wears out, so if you have purchased and operating system and are happy with it, why should you ever pay for another one?

I've been fascinated with Microsoft defenders (fan boys? lackeys? towel boys?) for years, since they seem to gain nothing by promoting the status quo (except for those whose job is subsidized by Microsoft). So, that everyone has bought a copy of Windows XP, why Microsoft should continue to make revenue?

Also, can we please make Linux (or maybe Haiku) a viable desktop OS? While I don't mind paying Apple a premium for their OS, it must be more efficient overall to have a non-profit develop a free OS once. Most new OS features at this point are marginally useful eye candy.

Re: If you love Windows XP, you’ll hate Windows 7

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i seem to recall there being a setting in windows xp to make your windows and start menu and other things have a "classic" look. isn't there something similar in windows 7 that offers this? it sounds like such a feature would have eliminated a lot of the problems this guy's colleague was complaining about. maybe just ask the user at first boot whether they want the new windows 7 look or an old classic view, setting d…

Windows 7 does, amazingly, have the same classic mode. When you switch to it, everything looks exactly like Windows 98.

Why is it amazing? It's a one-checkbox option to get rid of 10 years of candyland-style aesthetic mistakes. The underlying OS has nothing to do with transparent windows and pastels.

Re: If you love Windows XP, you’ll hate Windows 7

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The title should be "if you fear change, you will hate Windows 7". Holy shit, no Run command (which barely anybody uses) and no default Desktop icons (which are just superfluous next to the start menu)?! WHATEVER WILL I DO!??! It's people like this Jason character, who feel all change is either (a) bad or (b) simply for the sake of change, who completely hinder innovation. If he wants Windows to "not change anything"…

It is the installed base that is the double-edged sword hanging over any successful large-scale software product; both its greatest strength, and its greatest weakness.

In particular, the desire to maintain installed-base compatibility runs contrary to the need to make significant changes.

And even if the organization's software engineering practices and UI designs are excellent, significant changes inherently bring incompatibilities and broken applications.

The bigger and more successful your application gets, the tougher the problem.

Re: If you love Windows XP, you’ll hate Windows 7

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point of this article is that one of the problems with Vista and now Windows 7 is that people were so used to the XP way of doing things, even if the XP way was stupid or unintuitive. If you take some time to learn the new UI it's a lot better. Same with Office 2007, the old Office menu system was horrible unless you knew exactly where everything was, whereas with the Ribbon/Fluent UI most of the time it adapts f…

This is what I don't get. Why should I have to retrain my fingers to justify Microsoft's UI designers' salaries? I don't mind for myself, but I dread having to teach my parents every time, especially when I don't use the operating system myself.

Tell them you do not know it and cannot help. Offer to help with the OS you do use. My father is very happy using Linux (Mandriva).

Re: If you love Windows XP, you’ll hate Windows 7

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post #15

The simple reality (IMHO of course) is that people have always used Windows because it was "what everyone uses" and "what the office uses" and "what my software runs on". If you see it from this perspective, the people who wanted something different have already left to some flavor of UNIX or Mac, so those remaining are looking after their cognitive investment in having learned XP. When you think about it, its amazin…

Personally I think Linux is a viable desktop OS for many people. It has been my desktop for about seven years. I have moved two very non-geek users to it in the last two years and they are both quite happy too.

MS defenders vary. Some have invested time learning MS technologies. Others worship wealth and success. Others have simply had bad luck with other OSes and have lost interest in trying again.

Re: If you love Windows XP, you’ll hate Windows 7

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Windows 7 seems to combine the relative modularity of XP with the ability to quickly access storage and transfer data, as evidenced by this informal benchmark:

http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=3236

I haven't taken a look yet, but it seems promising. Is this going to keep Windows competitive with OS X?

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