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VW to Build €20k EVs on Its Own, Forgoing Partnerships

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Re: VW to Build €20k EVs on Its Own, Forgoing Partnerships

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Affordable EV's are already in the US; I'm sure Europe has an even better selection. Do to incentive shenanigans, the best deals are all leases.

Five EV's that lease for under $300/month including deposit: https://electrek.co/2024/05/28/five-evs-that-lease-for-under...

Re: VW to Build €20k EVs on Its Own, Forgoing Partnerships

#22

BYD would eat their lunch and it's not only the China government subsidies, but the pace of development. Can't beat the Chinese work ethic with German socialism and work/life balance 35 hours per week. There will be steep tariffs to keep them afloat, but the hungry chinese competitors would beat the legacy lazy ones.

Work ethic is useless if you have no time to enjoy the world. All for EVs while you can take the bicycle of bus

Re: VW to Build €20k EVs on Its Own, Forgoing Partnerships

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From the article: “The German manufacturer plans to unveil its proposals for affordable compact EVs in 2027, it said Tuesday.” If that article is correct, it is insane that the established Western companies are going to take 3 YEARS(!) to even UNVEIL their new low-cost EV efforts.

> plans to unveil a proposal Three levels of weaseling. The chance of this being real seems pretty remote at this point.

Announcing something 3 years out for an automaker would be realistic. Building out the lines, all the planning and design, takes time.

The alternative is Tesla announcing new models this year or the next year, and then "delays" for multiple years, ending up effectively about the same.

Re: VW to Build €20k EVs on Its Own, Forgoing Partnerships

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

PHEV's have all the downsides of maintaining a gas vehicle, as well as much of the associated cost (and upcharge) of a BEV at this point. It's not as much maintainence as a dedicated gas vehicle, but it's still there. Realistically, I think it makes a lot more sense to have a dedicated BEV with whatever range you feel appropriate, and a dedicated gas vehicle (if needed) for road trips and longer jaunts. For the vast…

I don't own a car, so I've rented vehicles from time to time - and my experience is that (in my country at least) the vehicle rental experience is absolute trash. Would you believe that on three separate occasions I turned up to collect my (reserved and paid for) vehicle on a Friday, ready to go on a road trip, and they simply didn't have a vehicle for me?

On vehicle rental beeing trash is a solvable problem. Especially here in Europe where we have many apartments. I would welcome that every new build gets a garage with accessible EV for rental and in such a case I would totally opt out to not own my car anymore. Book in advance, do short trips with the EV in the garage or in front of the house. All doable.

Re: VW to Build €20k EVs on Its Own, Forgoing Partnerships

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> plans to unveil a proposal Three levels of weaseling. The chance of this being real seems pretty remote at this point.

Announcing something 3 years out for an automaker would be realistic. Building out the lines, all the planning and design, takes time. The alternative is Tesla announcing new models this year or the next year, and then "delays" for multiple years, ending up effectively about the same.

Yes. Exactly. Tesla announcements about future plans are worth about the same amount.

Re: VW to Build €20k EVs on Its Own, Forgoing Partnerships

#26

BYD would eat their lunch and it's not only the China government subsidies, but the pace of development. Can't beat the Chinese work ethic with German socialism and work/life balance 35 hours per week. There will be steep tariffs to keep them afloat, but the hungry chinese competitors would beat the legacy lazy ones.

French socialism has less worked hours, more vacation days than Germany, strikes, and Renault Zoé was clearly the PoC for BYD's models, so I think it has nothing to do with all that.

Re: VW to Build €20k EVs on Its Own, Forgoing Partnerships

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I don’t understand why it’s taking the “legacy” automakers so long to respond. This is basic Innovator’s Dilemma strategy - and yet none have a cheap EV yet?

presumably you don't get to be 'legacy' if you are big on selling cheap products

The way innovators erode a legacy company’s advantage is by attacking an area they aren’t worrying about. Usually, that’s cost (“Japanese cars”, x86 supercomputers), but sometimes it’s speed, power, or convenience (Amazon.com in the 90s). Car companies have had plenty of warning about cheap EVs, but the only relatively cheap ones I know about are the (discontinued) Chevy Volt, the base Tesla Model 3, and the Volvo EX30 that just came out (surprise! it’s Chinese).
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