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The return of never-ending job interviews: 'It can go beyond the pale'

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Re: The return of never-ending job interviews: 'It can go beyond the pale'

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Post by Der_Einzige »

yokoprime wrote: post #14
loa_in_ wrote: post #10

Unfortunately the interviewees lose money while they're being interviewed while the interviewers earn theirs.

Only when unemployed

My petty revenge against amazon mistreating my partner when they worked there is to aggressively pursue onsite interviews with them. I refuse to do initial phone screens - a tactic which often works to go directly to onsite since amazon is clueless and desperate.

I don't study for their stupid whiteboards and I don't study their stupid leadership principals. I on purpose refuse to use them during behavioral interviews (also refuse use the STAR method). I've had at least 5 full onsites like this. By my calculations, the wasted time and effort from amazon on myself was worth at least 100K given the number of highly paid engineers/managers who wasted their time interviewing me.

Re: The return of never-ending job interviews: 'It can go beyond the pale'

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Post by gentleman11 »

A variant: government of canada/province jobs that re-post your job every season; requiring you to fully re-apply and re-interview over and over with your boss while they endlessly try to replace you, no matter how well you did. Until you get promoted or they find somebody they like better and you have to move 500+ km to get a different position

I honestly think amazons stack ranking is less humiliating and skeezy

Re: The return of never-ending job interviews: 'It can go beyond the pale'

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Post by macksd »

yokoprime wrote: post #14
loa_in_ wrote: post #10

Unfortunately the interviewees lose money while they're being interviewed while the interviewers earn theirs.

Only when unemployed

Employed or unemployed, it's seems so offensive to me to not care about people's time. When I'm employed, I'm probably using a vacation day to talk to you. That's special time I would otherwise spend with my family and on not burning myself out.

When I was not employed, I paid for the gas to drive 90 minutes each way and spent an entire day not looking at other opportunities to be hired or other ways to improve my resume, only to be told by the director that although I did very well in the interviews, they would be getting back to me in 3 months when they found out if their hiring freeze was over then, because at the present time the opening was not yet truly open.

Have some respect for human beings, regardless of their employment status.

Re: The return of never-ending job interviews: 'It can go beyond the pale'

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Post by tgv »

TRDRVR wrote: post #20

Just a periodic reminder that 'Beyond the Pale' is a pro-colonialist phrase that many believe was was part of Britain's Centuries-long campaign to eliminate Irish culture. https://www.grammarphobia.com/blog/2012/12/beyond-the-pale.h...

Is that one of those "it becomes true if you repeat it often enough?" There's at least one other attribution, and it's probably just as made up.

Re: The return of never-ending job interviews: 'It can go beyond the pale'

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Post by selwoot »

TRDRVR wrote: post #20

Just a periodic reminder that 'Beyond the Pale' is a pro-colonialist phrase that many believe was was part of Britain's Centuries-long campaign to eliminate Irish culture. https://www.grammarphobia.com/blog/2012/12/beyond-the-pale.h...

That's the exact opposite of what the link you included says.

From https://www.grammarphobia.com/blog/2012/12/beyond-the-pale.h...

As for the relationship between the two expressions, the OED has this to say:

“The theory that the origin of the phrase [‘beyond the pale’] relates to any of several specific regions, such as the area of Ireland formerly called the Pale … or the Pale of Settlement in Russia … is not supported by the early historical evidence and is likely to be a later rationalization.”

Re: The return of never-ending job interviews: 'It can go beyond the pale'

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Post by SoftTalker »

mattgreenrocks wrote: post #13

It's pretty annoying how the article is quite both-sides-ism about the whole thing. Four months to receive an offer? Come on. You get the vast majority of the signal for a candidate in the interview process itself. All of the backoffice deliberations don't require months of meetings. It's just more okay that it gets dragged out because the market is lousy. Call it what it is: indecision and inefficiency.

Yeah I really don't get it. If you need to hire people, hire them. If you don't, why are you wasting your time and theirs by interviewing them endlessly?

I get that a business may always want to be open to hiring an exceptional person if one becomes available, but that's very often based on an internal recommendation/reference not a response to a job posting. Execptional people generally don't apply to posted jobs, they work their network.

Re: The return of never-ending job interviews: 'It can go beyond the pale'

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Post by tanseydavid »

Der_Einzige wrote: post #21
yokoprime wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Only when unemployed

My petty revenge against amazon mistreating my partner when they worked there is to aggressively pursue onsite interviews with them. I refuse to do initial phone screens - a tactic which often works to go directly to onsite since amazon is clueless and desperate. I don't study for their stupid whiteboards and I don't study their stupid leadership principals. I on purpose refuse to use them during behavioral interview…

Move on friend, you are wasting a least a little bit of your creative energy.
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