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Tell HN: GitHub no longer readable without JavaScript

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Re: Tell HN: GitHub no longer readable without JavaScript

#21

it's 2024. let's stop having this conversation

If that's your stance then; sure: it's no longer a conversation.

It is then completely unacceptable to force people to run code on their machines. Thus JS should always be optional.

Perhaps this is not the result you intended by attempting to shut down any opinions; but now we can't talk about it. So it's concluded.

Re: Tell HN: GitHub no longer readable without JavaScript

#22
post #7

I think GitHub being an SPA is largely fine, it has good reasons to be in many situations, what I object to is when a shopping site or, even worse, a content site requires JS to work. This seems terrible when serving HTML is a much better experience for most users.

> This seems terrible when serving HTML is a much better experience for most users.

Tracking.

Pure HTML doesn't allow much tracking.

Our sector convinced c-suite that we need all kind of data, and now they want it.

Re: Tell HN: GitHub no longer readable without JavaScript

#23
My gripe with them switching to SPA (or whatever they changed in the last few weeks/months) is that viewing files got really jarring and I always switch to the raw view. Searching through a file is really bad with their lazy loading and scrolling horizontally on Firefox on Android is near impossible. And sometimes hitting the browser back button won't switch the page.

Re: Tell HN: GitHub no longer readable without JavaScript

#24
post #8

Honest question and no pun intended: I don't understand people's desire to prevent JavaScript from being a language that runs in the browser. Could someone shed some light on this?

Personally I have nothing against it (or to be more exact - I've given up hope for a Javascript-optional web) but I see the argument of people who keep it disabled because: – it consumes more battery and bandwidth (the latter still being expensive on mobile in some parts of the world; – it's often used to track you (including tracking everything you do - mouse movement, things you type into forms without even submitt…

I have js disabled by default on my phone for these reasons.

It also eliminates most the incredibly annoying bits of the web: cookie banners, modal dialogs asking me to subscribe to newsletters, auto play videos.

On my phone 90% of the time I'm looking to read your content not interact with your spa. Enabling js is a 2 touch process if I need it.

I think it is fairly stupid on my part but it does add another layer of effort between me and doom scrolling

Re: Tell HN: GitHub no longer readable without JavaScript

#26

that is totally unsurprising, i would use javascript to build github too. why is this on the front page?

Because it used to work without JS, but more importantly because it used to work better without JS – stuff loaded more quickly and the overall experience felt snappier. Not sure if it is front page worthy but it is still sad.

Re: Tell HN: GitHub no longer readable without JavaScript

#27
post #7

I think GitHub being an SPA is largely fine, it has good reasons to be in many situations, what I object to is when a shopping site or, even worse, a content site requires JS to work. This seems terrible when serving HTML is a much better experience for most users.

> This seems terrible when serving HTML is a much better experience for most users. Tracking. Pure HTML doesn't allow much tracking. Our sector convinced c-suite that we need all kind of data, and now they want it.

Tracking isn't always bad, it is often being used to make the product better and discover usability issues.

Re: Tell HN: GitHub no longer readable without JavaScript

#29
post #7

I think GitHub being an SPA is largely fine, it has good reasons to be in many situations, what I object to is when a shopping site or, even worse, a content site requires JS to work. This seems terrible when serving HTML is a much better experience for most users.

> This seems terrible when serving HTML is a much better experience for most users. Tracking. Pure HTML doesn't allow much tracking. Our sector convinced c-suite that we need all kind of data, and now they want it.

It doesn’t? I’m confused I mean no one used pure HTML anymore everyone has at least some JavaScript GA is a JavaScript file that can be used to track people pretty reliably. Pure html nowadays is paradoxically harder to maintain though.

Re: Tell HN: GitHub no longer readable without JavaScript

#30

Honest question and no pun intended: I don't understand people's desire to prevent JavaScript from being a language that runs in the browser. Could someone shed some light on this?

I think the point is that you can provide really good, lightweight, uncomplicated access to data in pure HTML, but instead websites keep creating "solutions" and complications to non-problems, and turning simple things more complicated for no reason.
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