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Re: Stop Demanding Dumb Answers to Hard Questions

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Post by Nasrudith »

JamesBarney wrote: post #13
olliej wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By conflating pro-palestine protests with pro-hamas you're no different from the anti-semitic assholes who use Israel's apartheid regime and their current genocide as a reason to hate all Jews. It is in fact possible to say "Hamas is bad" while still believing Palestinians are humans with the same rights the UN brought in as a result of things like the holocaust. It's also possible to go "given the decades of colonia…

This is a huge oversimplification of the conflict. The Israel-Palestine conflict is not like US native American conflict where we landed somewhere we'd never lived before, killed as many people as possible, and broke treaty after treaty. The Jews has been living there for 2000+ years. The Ottoman empire was the last empire in control of that area. It lost a war and gave up that land to the British. The British propos…

> Now neither the Israelis nor Palestinians believe in a two state solution. And you have two groups of people bent on the others destruction.

Out of sheer exasperation at this point I would propose forcing a one-state solution on them as a less-bad option. We've tried two state solution for decades and it just plain hasn't worked.

Re: Stop Demanding Dumb Answers to Hard Questions

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Post by disgruntledphd2 »

Nasrudith wrote: post #21
JamesBarney wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a huge oversimplification of the conflict. The Israel-Palestine conflict is not like US native American conflict where we landed somewhere we'd never lived before, killed as many people as possible, and broke treaty after treaty. The Jews has been living there for 2000+ years. The Ottoman empire was the last empire in control of that area. It lost a war and gave up that land to the British. The British propos…

> Now neither the Israelis nor Palestinians believe in a two state solution. And you have two groups of people bent on the others destruction. Out of sheer exasperation at this point I would propose forcing a one-state solution on them as a less-bad option. We've tried two state solution for decades and it just plain hasn't worked.

> Out of sheer exasperation at this point I would propose forcing a one-state solution on them as a less-bad option. We've tried two state solution for decades and it just plain hasn't worked.

The trouble there is that Israel is specifically a Jewish state. If we ended up with a one-state situation, it wouldn't have a Jewish majority. While many of us might be OK with that, lots of the Jewish inhabitants wouldn't be.

There's a reason that this situation hasn't been resolved, and it's not because people aren't trying.

Re: Stop Demanding Dumb Answers to Hard Questions

#24

Post by euroderf »

Nasrudith wrote: post #21
JamesBarney wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a huge oversimplification of the conflict. The Israel-Palestine conflict is not like US native American conflict where we landed somewhere we'd never lived before, killed as many people as possible, and broke treaty after treaty. The Jews has been living there for 2000+ years. The Ottoman empire was the last empire in control of that area. It lost a war and gave up that land to the British. The British propos…

> Now neither the Israelis nor Palestinians believe in a two state solution. And you have two groups of people bent on the others destruction. Out of sheer exasperation at this point I would propose forcing a one-state solution on them as a less-bad option. We've tried two state solution for decades and it just plain hasn't worked.

Not a bad idea. But if Palestinians are incorporated into Israel as citizens with full voting rights, Israel will at some point cease to be majority-Jewish. (Or so I have read.) Identity crisis. This is a tough nut to crack.

Re: Stop Demanding Dumb Answers to Hard Questions

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Post by ceejayoz »

aredox wrote: post #4

"Great"* explanation. That none of those highly-paid, very select heads of prestigious universities were able to give. Which should lead them to lose their jobs anyway. *Being in Europe, we won't agree with the very low bar the US has for free speech - to us it's as absurd as the mad "right to bear arms" as applied in the US (note I am in Switzerland, which also allows to bear arms but... without the crazyness). But…

Read the whole thing.

> Stefanik’s purpose was transparent. No matter how the college presidents answered, she won. If they answered accurately — that the question depended on the context - she could shriek neeeeeerrrrrrdddd like a football player bullying a kid with glasses, and credulous people would eat it up. If the presidents answered inaccurately but simply “yes,” she could make her next point: then why aren’t you punishing people who advocate intifada? Why aren’t you expelling students for saying “from the river to the sea”? Why aren’t you punishing people for accusing Israel of genocide? That was her express, explicit purpose…

Re: Stop Demanding Dumb Answers to Hard Questions

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Post by flappyeagle »

ceejayoz wrote: post #25
aredox wrote: post #4

"Great"* explanation. That none of those highly-paid, very select heads of prestigious universities were able to give. Which should lead them to lose their jobs anyway. *Being in Europe, we won't agree with the very low bar the US has for free speech - to us it's as absurd as the mad "right to bear arms" as applied in the US (note I am in Switzerland, which also allows to bear arms but... without the crazyness). But…

Read the whole thing. > Stefanik’s purpose was transparent. No matter how the college presidents answered, she won. If they answered accurately — that the question depended on the context - she could shriek neeeeeerrrrrrdddd like a football player bullying a kid with glasses, and credulous people would eat it up. If the presidents answered inaccurately but simply “yes,” she could make her next point: then why aren’t…

They are wrong on all those points. She won when they showed up because they self-owned already.

She brought them in front of America to chew them out for their anti-Semitic BS. they were chewed.

Re: Stop Demanding Dumb Answers to Hard Questions

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Post by s1artibartfast »

PeterStuer wrote: post #16
s1artibartfast wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The phrase "reasonable person" does the heavy lifting here. A reasonable person should be able to understand that others have different opinions that may be distasteful or wrong. Unless those opinions are violent and directed at them personally, they are not hostile.

So you are saying 'words are violence' was BS all along? Better tell that to those college campusses and their speech police squads. Bring back the reasonable people they ousted over the last two decades.

Yes

Re: Stop Demanding Dumb Answers to Hard Questions

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Post by s1artibartfast »

Nasrudith wrote: post #21
JamesBarney wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a huge oversimplification of the conflict. The Israel-Palestine conflict is not like US native American conflict where we landed somewhere we'd never lived before, killed as many people as possible, and broke treaty after treaty. The Jews has been living there for 2000+ years. The Ottoman empire was the last empire in control of that area. It lost a war and gave up that land to the British. The British propos…

> Now neither the Israelis nor Palestinians believe in a two state solution. And you have two groups of people bent on the others destruction. Out of sheer exasperation at this point I would propose forcing a one-state solution on them as a less-bad option. We've tried two state solution for decades and it just plain hasn't worked.

>Out of sheer exasperation at this point I would propose forcing a one-state solution on them as a less-bad option. We've tried two state solution for decades and it just plain hasn't worked.

That would require an external powers go to war with both and conquer them,and then somehow suppress terrorists from both sides.

The idea is soo misguided, it just the kind of intervention the US might attempt

Re: Stop Demanding Dumb Answers to Hard Questions

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Post by rayiner »

Nasrudith wrote: post #21
JamesBarney wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a huge oversimplification of the conflict. The Israel-Palestine conflict is not like US native American conflict where we landed somewhere we'd never lived before, killed as many people as possible, and broke treaty after treaty. The Jews has been living there for 2000+ years. The Ottoman empire was the last empire in control of that area. It lost a war and gave up that land to the British. The British propos…

> Now neither the Israelis nor Palestinians believe in a two state solution. And you have two groups of people bent on the others destruction. Out of sheer exasperation at this point I would propose forcing a one-state solution on them as a less-bad option. We've tried two state solution for decades and it just plain hasn't worked.

The one state solution would be majority Arab, and they would expel the Jews, or worse. There are no majority Arab states where Jews are safe.

Don’t forget that the Arab countries expelled a million Jews in retaliation for the creation of Israel.

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