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A history of Ireland in 100 goodbyes

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Re: A history of Ireland in 100 goodbyes

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Famous last words of this Irish-American Astronaut https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Collins_(astronaut)

Those Spás Féiners had no honour.

I don'y speak Gaelic per se - but if I'm getting the joke it's pretty grand

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Context: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caoineadh_Airt_U%C3%AD_Laoghai... I got interested in Irish having listened to Clannad in high school; at the uni library, I got hold of an Irish textbook, along with a bilingual anthology of Irish poetry ('An Duanaire: Poems of the Dispossessed', edited by Seán Ó Tuama) where the Caoineadh featured prominently.

Any chance that Irish writing could be re-phoneticized? I tried learning Irish for fun but it was tough because all the letters sounded in a really unexpected way. (I also think that English should be re-phoneticized for what it's worth)

I tried to learn it and basically it helps if you at least know the sounds of H letters/consonants which throw off English speakers.

mh or bh = V, ch = sloppy och "loch" (means lake) rhymes with Bach, dh and gh = guttural G, fh = silent.

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I married into a large Irish family and goodbyes take bloody forever as everyone has to have a ten-minute conversation with everybody else on their way out the door. Irish ghosting goodbye my eye.

The Irish goodbye exists because the alternative is a long ass poetic farewell. So, if you want to avoid it, you give a couple people key goodbyes and check out.

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Any chance that Irish writing could be re-phoneticized? I tried learning Irish for fun but it was tough because all the letters sounded in a really unexpected way. (I also think that English should be re-phoneticized for what it's worth)

I tried to learn it and basically it helps if you at least know the sounds of H letters/consonants which throw off English speakers. mh or bh = V, ch = sloppy och "loch" (means lake) rhymes with Bach, dh and gh = guttural G, fh = silent.

Good start but mh and bh can also be W, dh and gh can also be Y or silent.

I'd add: ph = F, sh = H, th = H or silent.

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I married into a large Irish family and goodbyes take bloody forever as everyone has to have a ten-minute conversation with everybody else on their way out the door. Irish ghosting goodbye my eye.

The Irish goodbye exists because the alternative is a long ass poetic farewell. So, if you want to avoid it, you give a couple people key goodbyes and check out.

...or just a sneaky nod to someone who understands what you mean. They're left to tell people that you went home, if anyone asks. Just don't do that when your round is next.

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I married into a large Irish family and goodbyes take bloody forever as everyone has to have a ten-minute conversation with everybody else on their way out the door. Irish ghosting goodbye my eye.

Colombians are Irish who can’t hold their alcohol and who take even longer to say goodbye.

Giggled at this one. Kinda true in Fairness.

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I love that Roy Keane has 5% of these entries. Saipan was nearly the beginning of a civil war in this country!

It was a huge cultural moment. If you look at the impact of the 88 euros and subsequent world cups, we had songs, books, movies. And then, it all just died because someone never put the cones out for training, on a field in japan

I don't think we've ever processed that as a nation. Sure we struggled to process a civil war, we have no chance with saipan.

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Any chance that Irish writing could be re-phoneticized? I tried learning Irish for fun but it was tough because all the letters sounded in a really unexpected way. (I also think that English should be re-phoneticized for what it's worth)

I gather they won their independence in no small part due to infuriating the invaders with phoneticisation. I live in Ireland and was onde fluent in Hungarian. I laugh at anyone who says Hungarian is the hardest language to learn. They obviously never saw Irish.

Part of the issue is that Irish is - in a large way - a reconstructed language. It was almost wiped out, and then basically rebuilt from a bunch of isolated regional dialects and extremely limited source material. A lot of Irish speaking communities historically had a largely oral tradition.

A LOT of mistakes (or weird choices) were made in the standardisation of the “new Irish” back in the day, which have been made worse by the way it’s taught in most schools - it’s taught almost entirely as a written language, not a conversational language.

Some suspect this might be linked to how it was reconstructed, the people “standardising” the language were focused almost entirely on it being a written language as opposed to a spoken one.

There is very limited focus placed on actually speaking the language as a spoken language in how it’s taught, unless you go to an Irish language only school.

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